I contacted Mikes Phat Frogs, he said that he only does wholesale. As for LLL Reptile, I had a negative experience with them with some lizards that I purchased. I will not go into detail, but I was wronged, and despite a lot of effort in my part, it was never rectified. I will not do business with them again. I have seen videos of Ivory Reptiles on YouTube. They seem to know what they are doing. I will check with them, and get back to you. Thanks for the help!