Bad shipping by popular seller-What would you do??

[Mentat]

if youre concerned this guy does this on a regular basis try this link Report Animal Cruelty FAQ | ASPCA

Hi Randy ! Agree 100% any cruelty is bad; but what makes you think shipping/selling animals in this case was cruel? It's clear a miscommunication gave birth to the issues being discussed in thread.

Last thing this hobby needs is the ASPCA deciding for us that commercial sales and shipment of live frogs is animal cruelty .

[Geo]

I agree absolutely with Carlos. The pet trade is suffering from misinformation already in regard to certain areas that the general public and even the SPCA don't understand because they don't typically deal with certain species. Sometimes non-pet owners hysteria, when something tragic but very unusual happens, feeds the frenzy and when the authorities get involved they sway with public opinion rather then professional data. I have hard enough time getting my hands on hobby related stuff, if someone sets off an unexpected/unwanted red flag then uneducated decision makers clamp down and limit our access. It is unfortunate but sometimes the pet hobbies suffer because of ignorance be it bad owners or uneducated authority figures. This situation may have been simply an unusual occurrence.

Typically most companies, especially if they have been around for some time, will do what they can to rectify the situation if given an adequate enough time to do so. Some suppliers / breeders are not large companies but mom/pop setups that want to make their customers happy but they may have a million things going on right at the moment that the occurrence was noticed and reported. Plus there is always human error and we are all humans.

[Randy]

If you have ever seen the horrid conditions some of the poor animals arrive in ( a lot of them end up dead you'd have a bit more sympathy for them. I'm not going into detail here but i have received dead animals where the seller lied straight up to me about when they were shipped .Frozen to death or smothered .If someones going to mass breed for pure profit they are as bad as those that mas breed dogs cats etc..and should be regulated.

[Kelsieb]

If you have ever seen the horrid conditions some of the poor animals arrive in ( a lot of them end up dead you'd have a bit more sympathy for them. I'm not going into detail here but i have received dead animals where the seller lied straight up to me about when they were shipped .Frozen to death or smothered .If someones going to mass breed for pure profit they are as bad as those that mas breed dogs cats etc..and should be regulated.

I agree! Even with staff I dont understand how breeders that own hundreds of animals can possibly give them all proper care and space requirements. I can think of one big name breeder off the top of my head that keeps full grown retics in 6ft by 3ft tubs and showcases it on youtube like there's nothing wrong! How can anyone consider that humane?? I have 10 snakes and can sometimes barely keep up with who wants to come out for some roaming time to stretch their muscles. Just because they can't wine and bark like dogs somehow makes it okay to keep them in dark tubs with no hides or light? Argh! Okay, getting off my soapbox!