White Lipped frog issue. Dark patch

[tajemi]

Hi all, I am new here and new to tree frogs
I recently adopted a white lipped tree frog. I noticed a dark patch on her back, thought it was normal colour changing behaviour but it isn't going away.

Thoughts?
And thank you.

[Louis Charles Bruckner]

This is just a shot in the dark but is there any heating devices that might get the glass hot.

That could be a burn.

[tajemi]

Thanks for the reply
The frog can't contact the light. I have the (uv) light at the top and it is covered with wire so can not be reached.

[Louis Charles Bruckner]

other than the discoloration is the frog behaving normally.
Eating well ect ect

[tajemi]

Yep, happy, healthy... seem bright and eager to chase food

[Louis Charles Bruckner]

How long have you been keeping this frog.

what kind of enclosure do you have it in.

know you said that the lights are not an issue, thats good.
Hopefully some one that has seen this before will chime in and give us a clue.

other wise I would just keep a close eye on it and make sure it doesn't get worse.
but keep feeding as usual and note any changes.

[Mentat]

That permanent dark area does not look normal and could be a skin burn, like Louis mentioned. See that you mention a UV light; what type of UV bulb and wattage is it? Also, could you please answer the below questions to see if there is something else to look at? Thank you !

“Trouble in the Frog Enclosure”

The following information will be very helpful if provided when requesting assistance with either your frog or enclosure. To help with your questions, please utilize the below list and post the information in the proper forum area to get advice from FF members that keep the same frog. This will allow for little confusion and a faster more informed response.

1. Size of enclosure

2. # of inhabitants - specifically other frogs and size differences

3. Humidity

4. Temperature

5. Water - type - for both misting and soaking dish

6. Materials used for substrate

7. Enclosure set up i.e. plants (live or artificial), wood, bark and other materials.
- How were things prepared prior to being put into the viv.
8. Main food source

9. Vitamins and calcium? (how often)

10. Lighting

11. What is being used to maintain the temperature of the enclosure

12. When is the last time he/she ate

13. Have you found poop lately

14. A pic would be helpful including frog and enclosure (any including cell phone pic is fine)

15. How old is the frog

16. How long have you owned him/her

17. Is the frog wild caught or captive bred

18. Frog food- how often and if it is diverse, what other feeders are used as treats

19. How often the frog is handled

20. Is the enclosure kept in a high or low traffic area

21. Describe enclosure maintenance (water changes, cleaning, etc)

by Lynn(Flybyferns) and GrifTheGreat.

[tajemi]

Thanks, I will be back soon with a proper reply.

[tajemi]

That permanent dark area does not look normal and could be a skin burn, like Louis mentioned. See that you mention a UV light; what type of UV bulb and wattage is it? Also, could you please answer the below questions to see if there is something else to look at? Thank you !

“Trouble in the Frog Enclosure”

The following information will be very helpful if provided when requesting assistance with either your frog or enclosure. To help with your questions, please utilize the below list and post the information in the proper forum area to get advice from FF members that keep the same frog. This will allow for little confusion and a faster more informed response.

1. Size of enclosure

w60cm x h40cm x w30cm

2. # of inhabitants - specifically other frogs and size differences

1

3. Humidity

Not 100% sure but the water is 26oC (79oF)

4. Temperature

Currently it is at 23oC

5. Water - type - for both misting and soaking dish

fresh

6. Materials used for substrate

stones and glass pebbles

7. Enclosure set up i.e. plants (live or artificial), wood, bark and other materials.
- How were things prepared prior to being put into the viv.

The tank has been divided, 1/3 dry the other 2/3 wet. I have a filter in the wet area and a fish (loach) to do cleaning. I have an artificial plant in he water. The dry area has a log and artificial vine. I have a wooden top with a vent and light

8. Main food source

Live food from the pet shop

9. Vitamins and calcium? (how often)

Calcium every now and then

10. Lighting

24w compact UV

11. What is being used to maintain the temperature of the enclosure

Currently nothing.

12. When is the last time he/she ate

Last night

13. Have you found poop lately

yes

14. A pic would be helpful including frog and enclosure (any including cell phone pic is fine)

will add later

15. How old is the frog

juvi

16. How long have you owned him/her

about 1 month

17. Is the frog wild caught or captive bred

Captive

18. Frog food- how often and if it is diverse, what other feeders are used as treats

Mostly crickets but will and other live food occasionally (meal worms, woodies, moths etc)

19. How often the frog is handled

Every few days

20. Is the enclosure kept in a high or low traffic area

high

21. Describe enclosure maintenance (water changes, cleaning, etc)

Filter cleaned every couple of weeks, water conditioner, removal of stools dead insects as required.

by Lynn(Flybyferns) and GrifTheGreat.

Please see the bold answers in the above quote

[Mentat]

Hello, I've done some recommendations below, hope this helps. Currently we do not have a care article for your frog; but the White's care is similar and can find it here: Frog Forum - White's Tree Frog Care - Litoria caerulea.

3. Humidity - Not 100% sure but the water is 26oC (79oF)
Recommend get a hygrometer (digital are better than analog). Anything between 50-65% is OK.

4. Temperature - Currently it is at 23oC
This is a bit too low. Day should have a basking area of 30C and night temps drop to 24C or so. A heat mat or heat tape might be required if room is cold.

5. Water - type - for both misting and soaking dish - fresh
What kind of "fresh water?" Recommend use dechlorinated tap (Seachem Prime is good dechlorinator).

6. Materials used for substrate - stones and glass pebbles
If these are under water or too large for frog to eat it's OK. If there are small and frog could grab one when lounging for food; it could cause an impaction.

9. Vitamins and calcium? (how often) - Calcium every now and then
Frogs in captivity need food supplements. CA/D3 and vitamins should be offered; specially when feeding crickets. Do gut load crickets with carrots, lettuce, oats and cherios 24-48 hours before feeding. Here are a few dusting schedules you can follow: http://www.frogforum.net/food-feeder...schedules.html.

10. Lighting - 24w compact UV
UV comes in several kinds and in the higher type (i.e. UV 10) might be too much. You will need to adjust this and/or replace with day bulb that produces heat (see no. 4 above).

11. What is being used to maintain the temperature of the enclosure - Currently nothing.
See no. 4.

19. How often the frog is handled - Every few days
20. Is the enclosure kept in a high or low traffic area - high
Should wash hands well and do a final rinse with dechlorinated tap before handling frog. Also, recommend covering frog enclosure sides and back with any paper you like to reduce stress.

[tajemi]

Thank you so much. I will make some adjustments over the next day or two and let you know how we go.
Thank you again.

[tajemi]

Just wanted to update. I treated the water with anti fungal and a decent de-chlorinator. I haven't had the chance (money wise) to install a thermostat yet but that is next on the list. We are having very warm days so for the moment the temp is fine.
We are also handling less and making sure hands are washed in de-chlorinated water.

The frog has improved a lot, still a ways to go but I a hopeful

Thank you all again.

[Mentat]

Discolored area looks smaller now, congrats !