Need Help for a Green Tree Frog

[k8lin]

I have 2 green tree frogs, im unsure of their sex. one of my frogs has recently been floating upside down in its water bowl, its been doing this for almost 2 weeks on and off. when I scooped it out and place it right side up it had very small green spots on it back, head and a few on its arms. its been eating the same amount of food as it normal does, my other frog is fine and looks healthy so I don't y my other frog is doing this. can anybody give my advice please? I've uploaded a photo so that u can get an idea of what im talking about.

[Mentat]

Hello and welcome to FF! Your frog action is not normal and could mean a health issue like Toxic Out Syndrome (TOS). The green spots point to a skin irritation and that redness in belly looks abnormal in my laptop too. Please answer the below questions so we can try to identify issue. Need to be specific about water source and treatments it gets (dechlorinator). Also, water dish should be cleaned daily (looks dirty) and no dead crickets left in there. Thank you !

“Trouble in the Frog Enclosure”

The following information will be very helpful if provided when requesting assistance with either your frog or enclosure. To help with your questions, please utilize the below list and post the information in the proper forum area to get advice from FF members that keep the same frog. This will allow for little confusion and a faster more informed response.

1. Size of enclosure
2. # of inhabitants - specifically other frogs and size differences
3. Humidity
4. Temperature
5. Water - type - for both misting and soaking dish
6. Materials used for substrate
7. Enclosure set up i.e. plants (live or artificial), wood, bark and other materials.
- How were things prepared prior to being put into the viv.
8. Main food source
9. Vitamins and calcium? (how often)
10. Lighting
11. What is being used to maintain the temperature of the enclosure
12. When is the last time he/she ate
13. Have you found poop lately
14. A pic would be helpful including frog and enclosure (any including cell phone pic is fine)
15. How old is the frog
16. How long have you owned him/her
17. Is the frog wild caught or captive bred
18. Frog food- how often and if it is diverse, what other feeders are used as treats
19. How often the frog is handled
20. Is the enclosure kept in a high or low traffic area
21. Describe enclosure maintenance (water changes, cleaning, etc)

by Lynn(Flybyferns) and GrifTheGreat.

[flybyferns]

Hello Kaitlin
I'm so sorry we have to welcome you to Frog Forum with a sick frog
You need to get this frog to a herp vet asap. ( one that specializes in exotics )

He needs to be separated from the other frog as well.
They both need to be put into - separate - quarantine/ hospital tanks.
Small tanks that can be cleaned and disinfected easily. ( glass would be best )

It is very important to keep them in VERY clean conditions with plain dampened paper towel substrate ( de-chlorinated water) plus a sterilized water dish with SHALLOW water when they are ill. The water dish needs a change and cleaning everyday. Use a new pair of gloves when entering each hospital enclosure..Keep the hospital enclosure as simply as possible. They should share nothing ! Until they are both better.

This could take some time. You really need the vet's help or you could lose them so sorry.

Be sure to tell the vet you have 2 frogs as it will likely need to be treated as well.

Keep them warm---- at the upper range of their *ideal temp range.

Please see the 'sticky' here:

quarantine and * care sheet
http://www.frogforum.net/tree-frogs/

testing ( I don't know where this is done in S Australia ... the vet can do it for you )
http://www.frogforum.net/general-dis...ing-frogs.html

Good luck, Lynn

[k8lin]

hi and thank u, I didn't think it was normal. the redness of its belly has always been like that. I do clean it regularly the cricket that was in the water wasn't dead it had jumped in the water a little while before I took the photo (5min or so). I'll do my best at answering the questions but I don't kno the answer to some of them

1. Im not sure of the exact size of the encloser, the shop owner recommended it for 2 frogs.
2. There is 2 frogs both of which are green tree frogs
3. Im not sure what the humidity is of how to check it.
4. The temperature sits between 20 and 30°c. that’s what the shop owner recommended
5. I use fresh filtered water only in the water bowl, the guy I got them from never told me mist them, he’s never done for his frogs and their fine.
6. I don’t kno
7. I bought the enclosure fully set up, with large pebbles so that frogs cant eat them, a plastic water bowl, a climbing wall, heat lamp and a small but think branch with moss on it (he put in there so I guess its safe for them). Trevor cleaned and sterilised everything before placing them in the tank
8. The main food source is crickets (that’s wat I was told to fed them)
9. I was never told to give the frogs any kind of supplements. I got them almost a year ago and have only every given them crickets and they’ve been fine. Until now.
10. They have a normal 50w heat lamp attached to the top of the enclosure which is covered by a cage. I turn the heat lamp off for 2-3 hours a day.
11. The heat lamp is used to maintain heat. The temperature never goes passed 30
12. The frog ate yesterday, it ate 3 medium crickets.
13. Yes I have found poop, the tank is due for a clean, I clean it every 3-4 weeks like Trevor told me 2.
14. Iv uploaded a picture in this comment
15. The frog is almost a year old
16. Iv owed it for almost a year now
17. The frog is captive bought
18. The only I feed the frogs are store bought crickets and I feed them every 2 days
19. I frog isn’t handle much, because I don’t want it to absorb anything bad. But when I do handle it I always wash my hands with anti-bacterial hand wash, then dry them then wash my hands again to ensure I hve remover all germs, oils, soap ect and I make sure my hands are still wet when I pick them up
20. The enclosure is kept in a low traffic area
21. I change the water every 2 days, and clean the tank with plain filtered water every 3-4 weeks or earlier if its required. Although its due for a clean atm but I haven’t yet because I want to kno what wrong with the frog before I do.

Also the frog has not left the water since I first posted this.

[k8lin]

thanx lynn, my other frog is fine, u can see it in one of the photos I uploaded above. iv been google searching and its made evan more confused some sites say my frogs laying egg because of the bumps/spots it has on it back and belly and other say it dying and others say it sun baking (highly unlikely that one since its never done it before). and I have no idea were to take it. Ill have to ask my brother if snake vet knows anything about frogs. thanx for the help. I can upload a picture of the spots and bumps if it helps.

[Heatheranne]

How is your frog doing?

[Mentat]

Hi! From the pictures, your frogs look like Australian White's Tree Frogs. If so, here is an excellent care article for them: Frog Forum - White's Tree Frog Care - Litoria caerulea. A Herp Vet will probably have knowledge to check out and treat your frog. Still, here are a few things that probably contributed to the problem and some recommendations. By the way; it's just a matter of time until the other frog shows same neurological symptoms and if not helped, you could end up losing both .

The hospital type enclosure and the veterinary visit recommended by Lynn are still required. These are just frog basic needs that need to be corrected. Good luck and let us know what the veterinary said !

1. Im not sure of the exact size of the encloser, the shop owner recommended it for 2 frogs
Just measure the enclosure's length, width, and height and let us know

3. Im not sure what the humidity is of how to check it.
Need to get a hygrometer at a pet store. Digital units are more accurate than analogs. For White's ventilation is very important and humidity around 65% is OK.

4. The temperature sits between 20 and 30°c. that’s what the shop owner recommended.
Temperature should be 30C during day with a few degrees drop to around 24C at night.

5. I use fresh filtered water only in the water bowl, the guy I got them from never told me mist them, he’s never done for his frogs and their fine.
Filtered water could still have chloramines and/or be over processed. Either one of those items could lead to Toxic Out Syndrome (TOS) with symptoms like you are experiencing. Recommend use dechlorinated tap water (Seachem Prime works good) for frogs water dish and for preparing any substrate like shredded coco, etc. You can use distilled water to spray enclosure since it does not leave water marks; but avoid spraying frogs with it.

8. The main food source is crickets (that’s wat I was told to fed them)
Crickets should be sized same as distance between frog's eyes and gut loaded with veggies (carrots and lettuce) and cereals (oats and cherios). Can also feed them similar sized Dubia roaches if available there. To better monitor feeding, can use a small glass bowl around 5 cm. height and crickets will not get out.

9. I was never told to give the frogs any kind of supplements. I got them almost a year ago and have only every given them crickets and they’ve been fine. Until now.
Yes, but now one of them is very sick and lack of CA/D3 is part of the issue. When frog CA levels drop; they actually draw CA from their bones in order to support physiological needs. That makes bones soft and eventually deformed. The problem is called Metabolic Bone Disease. Recommend get CA/D3 and vitamin supplements (Repashy or RepCal are good) and dust the frog's foods. Here is a schedule to follow: http://www.frogforum.net/food-feeder...schedules.html.

19. I frog isn’t handle much, because I don’t want it to absorb anything bad. But when I do handle it I always wash my hands with anti-bacterial hand wash, then dry them then wash my hands again to ensure I hve remover all germs, oils, soap ect and I make sure my hands are still wet when I pick them up
After washing and rinsing hands should do a final rinse with dechlorinated tap water.

21. I change the water every 2 days, and clean the tank with plain filtered water every 3-4 weeks or earlier if its required. Although its due for a clean atm but I haven’t yet because I want to kno what wrong with the frog before I do.
Also the frog has not left the water since I first posted this.
Water dish should be refilled daily with dechlorinated tap even if it looks unused.