A few new retf pics as they wake up this evening :)

[DigitalPunk]

Heather what type of plant is that. the wine with the red in the leaf?

[Heatheranne]

That is a Chinese evergreen or Aglaonema. It's one of my favorite plants . I have them in my day geckos home also.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aglaonema

Here's a few of mine in my tanks and extras growing.

[Heatheranne]

Serena is on a pothos leaf.

[DigitalPunk]

The Chinese Evergreen Aglaonema is amazing. I will have to get me one for the new terrarium to help fill in the bottom. I take it they do well in very humid setups

[Heatheranne]

Lucky



"Fill my pool mom, please?"

[Heatheranne]

Serena

Nice stretch!


Hello


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In my hunting camo

[deranged chipmunk]

Too adorable!!


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[LilyPad]

Beautiful pics! How long after lights out do they usually wake? Can they handle a night light?

[Lewis]

[Heatheranne]

They usually wake up around 9:00pm. Yes, they're very used to me. Though, they prefer it pitch black and call most with all lights out.

[Heatheranne]

So cute, Lewis .

[andaroo]

Just a word of warning Heather, don't over feed your red eyes, while it looks cute that they are nice and plump they don't eat as much as you are offering in the wild they are naturally slim and have limited fat storage than say a white's tree frog which is naturally fat. They may end up with cloudy fatty deposits in their eyes. I fed my female 1 large adult crickets, every few days I figured why not she takes them even if they are a little big saves me feeding her 3 small ones. Also wax worms too to get them to bulk up. She didn't even look as fat as yours either. Never again lol. 4 years later one of her eyes is clouded over and her other one started to do it too but now all I give her are very small crickets as they are more protein and less fat and the other eye has stopped progressing. She would have been completely blind if I hadn't changed her diet. I think she still would have eaten though as I have them all tong feeding "trained" but still it's not good. And no its not an eye infection I have tried many different types of drops in her eye and nothing fixes it. She was adult when I got her so I have no idea how old she is, red eyes don't live longer than 5 years apparently so it could be down to her old age not being able to process fats as well as she used to I'm not sure. Of course this would happen to mine and no record elsewhere with anyone elses, I swear I have had the most problems with red eyes out of any frog I've had and all the problems I'm the only one who it's ever happened to!

[Heatheranne]

Mine are not over fed. I offer 10 1/2 to 3/4" crickets nightly to 5 frogs. They are bowl fed and eat when they want. I never use waxworks because they have no real nutritive value and are fatty. I rotate their calcium/D3 and Repashy MVI. They are already 2 years old from the time I adopted them. Some were just dehydrated and thin, the others had bacterial and fungal infections. It was quite the 6 weeks to heal them and get them eating. Red eyes are not ones to engorge themselves. Mine do not even eat every night. They might eat a couple every night or less or a few every few days. I often have 5 or more crickets left in the am. No eye cloudiness. No signs of illness.

[Heatheranne]

Waxworms would be like a McDonald's diet.

[Heatheranne]

How long have you owned Red eyes?

[andaroo]

I have owned red eyes for almost 5 years. I never just strictly fed them waxworms I would offer them 1 or 2 a week as a treat until my supply was gone and then I wouldn't get more wax worms for several months sometimes longer. Crickets I tong feed them 2 or 3 each once week and maybe another 1 mid week I don't really have a schedule. How do you know how many each of yours are eating if you just let them help themselves? One of them could be eating the majority and the others just get one or two. And the whole eye situation was just a warning to you I'm not saying it's going to happen, I'm just giving you a heads up, like I said the frog is probably over 5 years old and this happened over a long period of time, she starting showing sign of the eye problem over a year ago. It doesn't affect their general health or anything it's just has cloudy vision is one eye.

[Heatheranne]

Andaroo,

Because I love my frogs, I have msg'd one of the best breeders in the states and asked of his advice. I am not going to argue with anyone, especially here on the forum. I always do what is best for my frogs and will continue to further my education for them. I have not only learned from some of the best breeders, but have learned from vets and read weekly. I have read the Merck amphibian care manual and articles, Amphibian Ark's care guidelines, learned from a great herpetologist here at the forum and who has several years of experience not only in care but with testing, and more. I have several saved/read articles, online journals and books. I never trust in just routine care articles on the net without comparing data and discussing care with others. I have rescued 9 sick frogs with the aide of a herp vet. However, I am always open to new and updating care guidelines. For this reason I have consulted a knowledgeable breeder on this topic.

I have, again, reread data as to the total fat, saturated fat, cholesterol, and HDL fats in common insect feeders and mice (crickets, roaches, worms, waxworms, mealworms, etc.) The data shows that the insects high in fat cause lipid keratopathy, as I already knew. Mice do also. Crickets fall within the middle zone of feeders, with waxworms high and earthworms and night crawlers as low. This I already knew. To aide in this issue, feeding your crickets a balanced diet of rinsed fresh fruits, veggies, and leafy greens will lower their fat content, and feeding them carbs raises their fat content. So, you can tweak their nutritive value just a bit.

I will update after speaking with this breeder as to any further recommendations after discussing this with him. My goal will be to determine the best feeders and feeding schedule.

To be continued...

[andaroo]

Andaroo,

Because I love my frogs, I have msg'd one of the best breeders in the states and asked of his advice. I am not going to argue with anyone, especially here on the forum. I always do what is best for my frogs and will continue to further my education for them. I have not only learned from some of the best breeders, but have learned from vets and read weekly. I have read the Merck amphibian care manual and articles, Amphibian Ark's care guidelines, learned from a great herpetologist here at the forum and who has several years of experience not only in care but with testing, and more. I have several saved/read articles, online journals and books. I never trust in just routine care articles on the net without comparing data and discussing care with others. I have rescued 9 sick frogs with the aide of a herp vet. However, I am always open to new and updating care guidelines. For this reason I have consulted a knowledgeable breeder on this topic.

I have, again, reread data as to the total fat, saturated fat, cholesterol, and HDL fats in common insect feeders and mice (crickets, roaches, worms, waxworms, mealworms, etc.) The data shows that the insects high in fat cause lipid keratopathy, as I already knew. Mice do also. Crickets fall within the middle zone of feeders, with waxworms high and earthworms and night crawlers as low. This I already knew. To aide in this issue, feeding your crickets a balanced diet of rinsed fresh fruits, veggies, and leafy greens will lower their fat content, and feeding them carbs raises their fat content. So, you can tweak their nutritive value just a bit.

I will update after speaking with this breeder as to any further recommendations after discussing this with him. My goal will be to determine the best feeders and feeding schedule.

To be continued...

I'm not arguing with you I was just giving you advice and you have clearly taken it the wrong way spewing facts at me and how much you read and who you have spoken to and such. I don't care about all that I'm telling you what I experienced and I do feed my crickets fresh kale, oranges and carrots and thats it, I never feed them anything carby or fatty. I know that adult crickets are fattier as their abdomen is bigger. Sometimes peoples actual experiences aren't documented in any books or breeders haven't had these issues and such. Like I said earlier I have had a few issues with red eyes when I first started keeping them that I researched for hours and could not find anything about the issue anywhere. I went to several "experienced frog" vets and spoke with lots of experienced people and they all didn't know what the hell was wrong. I keep these frogs at home with me for 5 years I see them every night, I haven't just read about them or taken courses like most vets or herpetologists or breed them for the sake of making a few extra $$$, they are my pets. I saw things like the territorial shaking the males do to each other years before it was even documented. If I had been told what I have told you back when I first started I would have appreciated the advice, not argued against it and would never fed larger crickets or waxworms as treats and this eye problem would never have happened. If you are so knowledgeable can you come up with an explanation of why my frogs eye went like this if you don't think that its down to feeding crickets? You were the only one to respond to my post on here when I asked a few months ago, you said it was an infection, you were wrong it wasn't an infection at all. If it was the frog would have been dead by now, not lasted over a year after the problem presented itself.

[Bolisnide]

Andaroo, With all due respect, you do tend to be a bit combative with some of your posts, including one on one of my threads... It never hurts to be a bit gentler with your 'advice.' Heather's frogs look great - happy and healthy.

[Heatheranne]

Okay, first of all I refuse to argue on a respectable forum. I never claim to be always right. I am not a vet and I am respectful of that. When I do not know the answers to any questions, I refer to a vet so that no harm is done and so that any needed treatment is not delayed.

I even took your advice into consideration. I also did more research. I am never oblivious to their needs. I always try to provide the best care I can. Mine have been adopted, cured and are pets also. I spend a couple hours a night doing their chores and monitoring their behaviors. Please know their health is of utmost importance to me. I apologize if my wording came across wrong. It was not my intention. Though, I do give them the best husbandry possible and continue to update my education as new data arises.

I mean no disrespect, though please know I am very educated to their care and medical care. I have not experienced every health ailment they could possibly encounter. I am not a herp vet by any means.

If you've encountered several vets that did not know the answer to your frogs ailment, then why would expect that I must? Lipid keratopathy is more common in Whites tree frogs and Cuban tree frogs. For this purpose, my Cuban is limited in his amount of food now that he is well taken care of. And i never feed waxies just to be cautious. He was a plant shop refugee.

I will always take into consideration advice from those more educated and I never look down upon those with less education, because we all start somewhere. I share my education so that others can learn. What I don't know I research from different literature and compare data for accuracy before teaching that data.

I'm just here to share education, share our frogs and stories and to enjoy the hobby.

Please, however, be cautious of your tone. You have now spoken in a demeaning manner to two forum moderators.

All of my frogs are healthy, eating well, properly hydrated, with no wounds or issues and happily communicate with other each night. I have no territorial issues and they even cuddle up on leaves together to sleep in the daytime .

I love my frogs .

If you have any other comments that are not pleasant towards this topic, please msg me privately, as I do not believe in having disrespect for one another in public.

I do appreciate your experience with frogs and I have reached out to a great breeder as for confirmation and any further advice. I want my frogs as healthy as possible .

I just wanted to also mention that I am a kind person that always tries to help everyone both here and in my job and life, so I may have taken your tone as less than pleasant. This may be my own perception and if that is the case, I apologize.

Please do share your experiences if they are helpful to others. I believe each of us may experience different situations with our amphibians and both good and bad experiences can be beneficial to their future and our education. Hands on experience is often the most valuable of all.

Please, other members, all is well here and take these last few posts for their education and not as banter. If the conversation continues to lead in a bad direction I will delete it, even though I like the pictures and conversations we have shared in this thread. As pleasant as I may be, I will not tolerate disrespect among members because we want the forum to be a nice, open place for everyone to share and I don't want anyone to feel cautious about posting about their needs or questions.

We try our best here to always be open to helping everyone, no matter what the issue.

Thanks so much,
Heath

I will still update later today .