Thanks all! I have a great love for the creatures most folks don't like, rats, bats, spiders, snake. But love frogs and salamanders the best. Have removed a Pacific Tree/Chorus Frog tadpole from one of the ponds here it was getting too cold for it to mature it was the last of the season. With light, house temps etc it is progressing. It has grown its front legs now and it is not so lethargic. So we will see...