Actually Bill I obtained my last 4 M. Betsileo from Understory as they were the only ones that I could get who would ship to here (Nova Scotia, Canada). It is my understanding that they are one of the very few North American professional breeders who have had consistent populations of various mantellas breeding somewhat on schedule. I would be very curious to see their facility and the methods they are applying but they are very hush hush about it from what I can tell. I am hoping to get my hands on some M. Viridis eventually and then move on from there as my success rate increases regarding their care. I have several other larger terrariums empty and ready but I don't believe in rushing into it unless I am prepared. Not fair to me or the wee little critters.