Sick Whites Dumpy Tree Frog, any hope?

[Mentat]

Your frog is active and is not a candidate for death. Can you please post a pic to see how skinny it is? Thank you !

[smashley]

okay! Here are a couple of shots from just now. Do you know how long they can survive without eating?
He has been sort of puffed up for a day or so now, he was pretty bony looking a couple days ago (and he hasn't eaten since then). He is probably 1.5-2 inches long, nose to butt. How often can I put him in a 10% pedialyte/90% dechlorinated water bath? I was advised to leave him in for about 20 minutes, can I do this daily while he is recovering?

[BlueKiwiOca]

Even if he has a feeding response, and wants to catch the food, perhaps force-feeding is a good option here. He does look quite skinny. Leave it another day or so and continue with the daily Pedialyte baths, pulling the legs off crickets etc. If he still can't catch them, I or someone else can help walk you through force-feeding him. I found when my frog was sick he'd kind of gotten out of practice when it came to catching food... he'd lunge for it but miss. Maybe he just needs to get his rhythm back so to speak

[flybyferns]

okay! Here are a couple of shots from just now. Do you know how long they can survive without eating?
He has been sort of puffed up for a day or so now, he was pretty bony looking a couple days ago (and he hasn't eaten since then). He is probably 1.5-2 inches long, nose to butt. How often can I put him in a 10% pedialyte/90% dechlorinated water bath? I was advised to leave him in for about 20 minutes, can I do this daily while he is recovering?

I'm so sorry about your frog He absolutely CAN be saved

I believe he is ill and needs medication asap
( if there a poop still around -save it -- so the vet can do a fecal study )

I wish I could come by to help you. This really has nothing to do with NOT eating . It's the other way around . He is not eating because he is sick.

If it has been more than 5 days. You could feed him 2 squished , dusted cricks without legs.
( be sure the food is NOT liquid ! ) Be very careful... his skin is very fragile right now. Wrap him in dampened paper towels/use powerless gloves / dampen your hands - with or w/out gloves. Best if you have 2 people for this. Use a soft flexible bowl scraper to get his lips open and push the food in. Balance the food on the end of the spatula while you are getting his mouth open. Return him to the glass immediate. Protect him from a startled jump in response to being handled. Then leave him be.. and don't handle him unless absolutely necessary

You can continue the soaks. Rather thank pick him up and place him into the soaking dish......dribble the water on to his back ( not his face) for 15 mins -- while he is sleeping

The vet may have a different solution for soaking?
In the meantime ----the pedi solution should be made with distilled water----( 1:10) ( one part pedi: 10 parts distilled water)

The soaking dish water must be de-chorinated with a de-chlorinator safe for amphibians
ie Aquqtize (exo-terra - product)

Find a new very shallow water dish ( glass if possible ) - one that can be boiled ie shallow plant or cup saucer. He looks too weak to get into that dish. Boil it before you place it into the hospital tank. Make yourself extra soaking dish water. If he is not soaking on his own dribble water on his back during the day while he is sleeping. Clean the soaking dish daily under HOT tap water.

Review the care sheet:
Frog Forum - White's Tree Frog Care - Litoria caerulea

You need to get him out of his enclosure and into a sterilized hospital tank ( cheap 5 gallon glass tank ) with a lid to keep him safe.
**** maintain the proper temps in the tank ......... 85 degrees during the day !!!!!! This is imperative !
http://www.frogforum.net/general-dis...uarantine.html

Dampen the paper towel in the hospital tank w/ de-chlorinated water and change daily - -when he is sleeping
Do everything possible .........not disturb him.

Drape the tank with a towel- he will feel safer.

His current enclosure needs to be broken down and sterilized before he goes back in it. Remove ALL substrate and toss it. What ever cannot be boiled or baked needs to be thrown away.

If you do not have a herp vet:
Dr Frye's contact:
http://www.frogforum.net/tree-frogs/...-prepared.html

You can e-mail Dr Frye today and you will have an answer today
In your email include the photos you posted here- especially 1st photo ,an approximate measurement of the frog snout to vent, a brief description of the frog's recent care, and how long you have had him.
Medications can be purchased via credit card and mailed to you.

Please , keep us posted !
Lynn

[smashley]

Thank you Lynn! So much great info! I am going to make some changes in his hospital enclosure and e-mail dr. frye before work this morning. I do have a poop on a plant that I took out of his original enclosure but I don't have a herp vet nearby. I think we will try to feed him tonight and hopefully we will have heard from dr. frye by then as well.
Thanks again to everyone, all of the advice has been so helpful.

[smashley]

Dr. Frye responded to me and was not very hopeful for Frog. He said it may be too late as he is very emaciated and looks like he has a skin infection. He did not respond to my questions about force feeding though.
Still he suggested a slew of medications that will cost $90 + shipping. Seems a lot to spare for a Frog without much hope. Not sure what to do yet.

[BlueKiwiOca]

Obviously it's up to you... I know there are a lot of people on this forum who will go to any length to save the frog... Dr Frye must have thought there was a slim chance because he still suggested medications, but it will still take a lot of work on your behalf to nurse the little guy back to health. Then again, despite our best efforts, they sometimes slip away. It's a tough decision, but good luck.

[CJ PELCHER]

Dr. Frye responded to me and was not very hopeful for Frog. He said it may be too late as he is very emaciated and looks like he has a skin infection. He did not respond to my questions about force feeding though.
Still he suggested a slew of medications that will cost $90 + shipping. Seems a lot to spare for a Frog without much hope. Not sure what to do yet.

Hey there! I personally would like to add this. If you plan on having frogs every again after this I would recommend making that purchase of 90 plus dollars to treat your frog. All those medications are good for a year and will treat your other frogs as well (based on the size of the frog). Your frog has a chance. If it is to late you still have those medications to use on your other animals. I myself and many other members of the forum have a froggy first aid kit on hand already for emergencies like this! Good luck. Just wanted to throw my 2 cents in.

[flybyferns]

You are very welcome . ...We are happy to help.

OH.......and......BTW........Welcome to Frog Forum !

[smashley]

Thank you everyone, you have been super helpful and supportive!! With a little more searching I found a vet in the next town that advertises exotic animal care so I'm going to take him there today. I don't know if medicine they offer will be any cheaper but hopefully it will be available immediately at least. We do hope to get another frog so I think it would be wise for us to invest in the med kit. Unfortunately my man works for the federal government and furlough starts today so that makes money spending decisions a little harder.

I gave Frog (that's his name, named after "The Adventures of Frog and Toad") another pedialyte bath last night before offering crickets. Same story as the past few nights, we saw him hunting but all crickets were still accounted for this morning. Its super frustrating to watch him hunt. He has good aim, when he lunges for crickets he often with his chin right ontop of the cricket or sort of headbutts the crickets into the side of the enclosure.

Will update again after vet visit.

[smashley]

The vet will not see frogs

[CJ PELCHER]

have you tried hand feeding frog? I hold crickets upside down and the the wiggly cricket legs tickel my whites tree frog chin to let them know the cricket is alive. They lunge at it and swallow when hungry. When not hungry they swipe the cricket away with their hand....its really cute to watch.

[CJ PELCHER]

have you tried hand feeding frog? I hold crickets upside down and the the wiggly cricket legs touch my whites tree frog chin to let them know the cricket is alive. They lunge at it and swallow when hungry. When not hungry they swipe the cricket away with their hand....its really cute to watch. A local vet is way more expensive than Dr. Fry anyway..