Jamie My Cranwelli

[Hypnotic]

Yeah but Truffs, why are you recommending a nocturnal pet to someone who clearly wants a diurnal pet? The enclosure doesn't need to be as large for a pygmy bearded dragon and honestly, the upkeep isn't that hard.
It's less work then a pacman frog, all you need are 2-3 heatsources and a UVB lamp, some decoration, sand and food and water bowl.
Yes, they do need a variety of food, but lets face it, if we take proper care of our animals, they all do.
My crestes gecko is fed redrunners, CGD and crickets. My tarantula is fed, dubias, redrunners ,crickets and locusts. Don't even get me started on the pacmans or prairiedog.
Even my French bulldog gets kibble, meat, rice and other things.

[Truffs1178]

I recommended a few species not just nocturnal ones. I'm just trying to help him think of a pet he won't get bored of.

[Truffs1178]

It's less work then a pacman frog

I agree with everything you said except for that statement. The mere fact that it needs more heat, UVB and a bigger enclosure means its already more work setting up the enclosure. Then on top of that Rankins Dragons cost more than ornates and cranwellis. UVB must be changed twice a year to ensure the animal receives maximum UVB as the gases burn out inside UVB bulbs over time. It costs more electricity to run the lighting and heating equipment for a dragon than a pacman because it needs higher temperatures. Rankins dragons also like to climb so even though its not necessary if you care enough and are willing to pay the extra then you can give them a lot more decor.

Like I said I agree with everything you said but that statement was a bit exaggerated I think.

Edit:Just thought I'd also mention Rankins need a more varied diet than a pacman frog. They also eat vegetables and leafy greens. When fully grown their diet should consist of 50-75% variet plant matter as well as insects being the other 25%.

If you do get a reptile get bulbs by Arcadia. They are a German company and spend a lot on UVB lighting research.

[Hypnotic]

I'l talking about enclosure maintenance, not setting it up. The electricity bill is handled by his parents, and countered by that is the amount of water pacmans require. So that's out.
Vegetables aren't exactly pricey. I bet I could feed a bearded dragon cheaper in a week then I could a pacman frog, and note, I'm not discussing self bred feeders, for that I can counter argument with home grown vegetables.
My big girl eats for about 7€ a week, feeding leafy greens, you can do under that price a week. Also, what family doesn't cook these days? There are always leftover vegetables or fruit in every home. But the same can be said for cockroaches in some homes.
The UVB needs to be changed twice a year, And I would also recommend Arcadia.
He's made it clear in past posts with me that he has a job, or is looking for one and that his parents support him financially when regarding pets. So I'm more worried about him picking a pet that's right for him then crunching numbers down to a cent.

[Truffs1178]

I agree with you but I still think pacmans are easier to care for than dragons and nothing will change my mind as I have both pacman and a dragon species. Here is a picture of my beardie so you can see for yourself how healthy she is and how well looked after. Also 7€ = £5.90 and the beardie eats about £10(11.86€) or more a week so I guess he could afford it because they arnt that expensive since rankins are smaller.

Plus electricity costs a lot more than water does, we'll at least where I live so that doesn't counter it out.

Do you actually think pacmans are harder to take care of than dragons?

[Hypnotic]

Yes, because of all the messing with eco-earth mainly. Sand is so easy to maintain, you are also stuck having to clean your hands each time, putting the frog in a temporary enclosure, while my friend just lets his dragon roam the living room while he cleans. Also, he only scrubs out the terrarium if the dirt touches the bottom layer, but he maintains daily so it's rarely. He's done in half the time I am cleaning his enclosure. We have to clean it each time, because of the humidity levels and how dirty the glass gets, while he can just vacuum up his sand and if the bottom is spiffy clean, add new sand to it.

[Truffs1178]

Yes, because of all the messing with eco-earth mainly. Sand is so easy to maintain, you are also stuck having to clean your hands each time, putting the frog in a temporary enclosure, while my friend just lets his dragon roam the living room while he cleans. Also, he only scrubs out the terrarium if the dirt touches the bottom layer, but he maintains daily so it's rarely. He's done in half the time I am cleaning his enclosure. We have to clean it each time, because of the humidity levels and how dirty the glass gets, while he can just vacuum up his sand and if the bottom is spiffy clean, add new sand to it.

Mate I'm not arguing I'm just stating my opinion and I hope that's what you are doing too because I don't want an argument.Do you have any reptiles?