Jamie My Cranwelli

[COOCOpUcHoo]

Hey guys. I have had Jamie for more than two months now, and I am getting pretty bored taking care of him/her. She is currently housed in a teen gallon aquarium and she has eco earth a substrate and a 60 watt light bulb for heat. It stays at a good 80 degrees at day and 75 at night. Her SVL length is roughly two inches. Her feeding response is really bad. I have only seen her eat without any coaxing several times. Like I said earlier, I am getting kinds of bored of taking care if her. I never see her during the day, and the most i do see her is the 10 minutes it takes to feed her and 30 minutes it takes to bathe whether week. Is there any way to be more interactive and buff up that feeding response?

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[Truffs1178]

First you should answer the trouble in the enclosure questions. Some frogs are like that. It usually depends on the conditions they're kept in or how often they are handled. Im not saying you keep her in bad conditions just that can affect them.

[COOCOpUcHoo]

1. Size of enclosure 10 gal
2. # of inhabitants - specifically other frogs and size differences 1
3. Humidity 80
4. Temperature 75-80
5. Water - type - for both misting and soaking dishdechlorinated tap
6. Materials used for substrate eco earth
7. Enclosure set up i.e. plants (live or artificial), wood, bark and other materials. few artificial ivies
- How were things prepared prior to being put into the viv.
8. Main food source night crawlers
9. Vitamins and calcium? (how often) calci and d3 every 2 days
10. Lighting 60 watt incandecent using 12 watts
11. What is being used to maintain the temperature of the enclosure ^
12. When is the last time he/she ate earlier today
13. Have you found poop lately not really, sometimes while feeding
14. A pic would be helpful including frog and enclosure (any including cell phone pic is fine)
15. How old is the frog not sure but i have owned for a little over 2 months i think
16. How long have you owned him/her
17. Is the frog wild caught or captive bred pretty sure
18. Frog food- how often and if it is diverse, what other feeders are used as treats i do nightcrawlers for a month then crickets for a week
19. How often the frog is handled as needed such as baths
20. Is the enclosure kept in a high or low traffic are yes
21. Describe enclosure maintenance (water changes, cleaning, etc) water is changed two days after usage and substrate is monthly

[Truffs1178]

Change water daily, dust. With calcium+D3 every other day and dust with multivitamin once a week. You could also try covering 3 or 4 sides of the enclosure to make the frog feel more secure. During the day a better temperature would be 80 to 85 degrees farrenhite.

[COOCOpUcHoo]

I do have the the sides covered, but how can i get her to be more active during the day? Also, how can I get her feeding response to be quick. The few times she did eat without assistance she was Betty accurate.

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[GrifTheGreat]

Have you been reading anything here at all? These frogs are naturally lazy. That is their behavior. They are a sit and wait predator so they sit motionless waiting for food to pass by so they can catch it by surprise.

I'm not so sure any frog is right for you because you don't want to take care of this one anymore just because it is being itself. You are also trying to aquire other Pacman frogs. I can assure you that no matter the species they are naturally nocturnal meaning the are active and feed at night. A couple of the speciea have some diurnal behavior, but it is limited. They are also lazy and do as any sit and wait predator does. They sit in their favorite spot for days at a time.

They can pick up on our emotions and become stressed. They can sense it and if this is how you feel about your frog and since you have been posting here it has all been in the attitude of being dissatisfied with your pet. It really burns me when someone buys a frog and then basically discards it because it doesn't do as you wish. Not all of these frogs have aggressive feeding responces. There are really lazy individuals in every species.

They alsi can be very secretive when it comes to eating. If you did not start the frog off with tong training early on then it can be less used to your presence. Even if not tong trained when offering food the room should be very dimly lit so you can see what you are doing, but the frog sees that it is night. It also depends on the feeders you are offering, supplementation, and climate levels within the tank. Large fluctuations can lead to a sluggish frog.

[GrifTheGreat]

Raise the temps. Try and keep a day temp of 83° and night temp of 78°. Humidity should be 70% to 80% . 80% at feeding time since after the sun recedes the humidity will rise as the temp drops some.

[COOCOpUcHoo]

I really love my frog, its just i have seen video and pictures, and the majority show the frog with its head out or on top of the substrate, i know the frig is nocturnal, but are they always completely burrowed? Also, why is it that i have to rub the lips of my frog to feed rather than wriggle something in front our drop something in the enclosure

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[Hypnotic]

I saw this coming COOCOpUcHoo, I think it's sad to see an owner say : "I'm getting kind of sick of taking care of her". I personally have a frog that doesn't poop without my assistance, and I'l never get sick of her, I'l do my job as an owner to make sure my animal is well taken care of, no matter how many baths I have to give her. I also wouldn't advise you to get another frog.
You seem to want an active pet, then nocturnal pets are out for you. You do realise most pacmans aren't even "active" during the night right? They are lazy to the bone.
My big girl hassn't moved in 2 weeks. I honestly don't think pacmans are the pet for you, if you buy another and it also has a slow feeding response, then what?
I think I know what pet would make you happy, you might still be too young or your parents might object, but I think the pet your looking for is a snake.
They can be handled, they have awsome feeding response and they are pretty hardy creatures. Just be sure to do your homework before aquiring one, and aim for a baby.

[COOCOpUcHoo]

I always wanted a snake, my patents probably wouldn't mind, but what about leopard geckos, people say they are very active in the day for a nocturnal animal. I might actually sell this frog on the forum if i really can't take care of my frog. I will probably grow her out and get feeding response up before anything but no guarantees. Also, i used to have fires belly toads and they were out and about hopping around in their tank like happy campers. They did not seem to be nocturnal to me. Though all my research said otherwise.

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[Hypnotic]

My friend has 6 leopard geckos, they are sometimes active during the day, but most of then sleep then aswell. But you could also handle them during the day. If you really want a nice active reptile that will grow to love you, and one that is active during day time... bearded dragons. They eat alot, from crickets to fruits and vegetables, allow handling really well and trust me, when you see the response they give you, you can't help but thinking they love you. If you can't afford a large tank, you could always go for a dwarf one. But make sure you buy from a good place with a reputation.
And I realise bearded dragons are pretty common, but they have some pretty uncommon colour morphs. They really are great and lovable pets.
I would honestly say, with what your looking for in a pet, I'd go for bearded dragons over leopard geckos or snakes anyday.

[COOCOpUcHoo]

I realize that beardies are amazing pets and I have been dying for one for the past few years. The only problem is the price that it takes to care for it. I have never heard of a dwarf bearded dragon, if you can inform me more, maybe show me a website of a breeder you know that would be great.

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[Hypnotic]

http://www.dolittlefarm.com.au/docs/pygmydragon.pdf
I found that caresheet on google, it seems to be pretty acurate, but I'd look for a forum to join and ask them, it's always better to learn from others experiences then to read from a caresheet found on google.
Unfortunately I can't help you with breeders, I'm from Belgium, it would cost a serious ton of money just to get the animal to you from around here.
Bearded dragons are mostly captive bred, since exports from Australia are banned since the 1960's if I'm correct. Honestly, this is one of the most easy to obtain pets.
I think if you find a nice forum, read alot, talk to some people there, you would find everything you need, including a breeder.

[reptileszz]

Rankins Dragons dont get as big as Bearded Dragons but they are very similar. If you google them you will find them. I saw some for sale in Daytona. They are a bit mor expensive I think. Not sure. Try Sandfire Dragon Ranch or look on kingsnake.com. Get one that is established tho. They have a bit higher mortality rate as babies.

Carole

I realize that beardies are amazing pets and I have been dying for one for the past few years. The only problem is the price that it takes to care for it. I have never heard of a dwarf bearded dragon, if you can inform me more, maybe show me a website of a breeder you know that would be great.

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[Truffs1178]

Have you been reading anything here at all? These frogs are naturally lazy.

I think what he means is that its feeding response is bad and that's why he is getting bored of taking care of the frog. Regardless you still need to take good care of it.

[Hypnotic]

No Truffs1178, this is a direct quote from his post :"I never see her during the day, and the most i do see her is the 10 minutes it takes to feed her and 30 minutes it takes to bathe whether week. Is there any way to be more interactive and buff up that feeding response?"
He wants more interaction, more activity and a better feeding response. Most of our frogs are just lazy, barely move and some have a bad feeding response. My best ones suck the locusts from between my tongs like a vacuum cleaner on steroids, my worst one burrows down when he sees me coming with food, refusing, headbutting and even turning his backside to me. So far he will only eat released prey into his terrarium.
That's just frog behaviour, you can attempt on improving feeding responses, but you can't change the fact that they are nocturnal or inactive. That's just how all horned frogs are.
I honestly got from that, that he's looking for a pet he can interact with more. A real skilled hunter he can watch chase throughout the terrarium and one that will in time, recognise him and love him.
Wich is why I recommend bearded dragons or pygmy bearded dragons.

[Truffs1178]

No Truffs1178, this is a direct quote from his post :"I never see her during the day, and the most i do see her is the 10 minutes it takes to feed her and 30 minutes it takes to bathe whether week. Is there any way to be more interactive and buff up that feeding response?"
He wants more interaction, more activity and a better feeding response. Most of our frogs are just lazy, barely move and some have a bad feeding response. My best ones suck the locusts from between my tongs like a vacuum cleaner on steroids, my worst one burrows down when he sees me coming with food, refusing, headbutting and even turning his backside to me. So far he will only eat released prey into his terrarium.
That's just frog behaviour, you can attempt on improving feeding responses, but you can't change the fact that they are nocturnal or inactive. That's just how all horned frogs are.
I honestly got from that, that he's looking for a pet he can interact with more. A real skilled hunter he can watch chase throughout the terrarium and one that will in time, recognise him and love him.
Wich is why I recommend bearded dragons or pygmy bearded dragons.

Thats what I mean. He wants a better feeding response out of his frog. My frog isn't always lazy he often hops around his tank at night. I never disagreed with anybody here so why say no Truffs? I just missed out the part about inactivity. If he never sees it then maybe its burying itself all the time which would indicate something may be wrong.

I have a beardie and I'm not sure he would be willing to pay the money. They need bigger enclosures, more heat, lighting and surprisingly eat more than most pacmans.

[Hypnotic]

Well, horned frogs rarely move and I doubt someone has the time to camp out these guys the entire night in the hope of seeing one move. Well, pygmy dwarfs eat less, need less space and are basicly a compact version of the bearded dragon. If he's going to spend money on a ton of pets, only to realise they nearly don't move at all during the day, because they are nocturnal, he might aswell spend more and buy right the first time.
I'm not saying it's 100% guaranteed to be his best pet, but according to what he's looking for, I'd say it's a pretty good match.
And at his age, if he really loves his pet and can't afford to get something one month, I doubt most parents wouldn't help out.
Also note, since he's young, he won't be paying for heating or lighting, well the initial purchases offcourse, and he can most likely loot some vegetables and fruit from the kitchen.
Edit: I do it all the time, grab an apple for myself, cut off some slices for the crickets, locusts, dubias & the prairiedog. What mother wouldn't want to see their child eat more fruit?

[Truffs1178]

I agree but I still think he should start with a Leo. I have taken care of these quite a lot and they are very cool. They stalk prey which is cool and are good to handle.

coocopuchoo ill list the exotics I have owned in order of hardest at the top to easiest at the bottom. Don't know if you will be interested in any of them though. I also list the hardest part about keeping them.

Veiled Chameleon(Huge enclosure, humidity especially in a mesh cage is hard to maintain)
Axolotls(so many water changes from a huge tank is hard)
Bearded Dragon(enclosure)
Hermanns Tortoise(diet, tortoise foods from pet companies aren't that good as most have way to much protein compared to calcium)
Cane Toad(eats a stupid amount of food)
African Bullfrog(eats almost as much as a cane toad)
Pacman Frog(you have one so you decide)
Mexican Red Knee Tarantula(nothing really)
Chilean Rose hair tarantula(nothing really)
CBA to list all the insects I breed.

Don't know if your interested in any but some of those are cool. If you like amphibians then a cane toad is the way to go. They're very active at night and sometimes during the day, they are also omnivorous and can eat plant material.

[danfrog]

I've been doing a lot if research on geckos lately ( mostly tokays). Because I too want a reptile I can interact with more. I still love my frogs though and would never get rid of them. Definitely not bored with them either. And COOCOpUcHoo you still haven't made the the changes to the husbandry we advised you to make a couple months ago. Review your old threads, make the changes and I bet your frog will have a better feeding responce.