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    Hello,

    One of my whites tree frogs has an area that is a lighter color. It used to have this on the right side and it has since improved and has now appeared on the left side. Has anyone seen anything like this before? He is active, eats a lot, does not seem ill in any way. Thank you for any ideas.

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    Hello,
    This is an area on the the frog's skin that is quite compromised.
    Something is going on under there
    I would suggest you get him to a herp vet.

    In the meantime, you could apply Neosporin ( WITHOUT PAIN RELIEF.... as pain reliever will kill the frog).
    Use a q-tip to apply this - daily -while he is sleeping, if possible.

    A vet vet may suggest a different topical and/ or systemic medication for your frog.

    Your frog looks good , otherwise........healthy and chubby.

    Just wondering, is it possible this spot is the result of something that may have 'dripped' on him?
    Cleaner? , medicine ?

    If so, this would create a burn type of injury that needs a different medication, such as SSD.
    ("Silversulfadiazene is a topical antibiotic and antifungal that promotes healing while discouraging scarring")

    If you do not have a hep vet ....here is a link ( Dr Frye will need photos )

    http://www.frogforum.net/tree-frogs/...-prepared.html

    Please keep us posted
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    Default Re: whites tree frog discolored spot

    BTW
    Before applying the antibiotic cream , warm it in a glass of 85F water
    this will do two things.
    first it will make it easier to apply and it bing warm wont shock the frog.

    think about putting something cold on your neck. BURRRR!



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    Quote Originally Posted by flybyferns View Post
    Hello,
    This is an area on the the frog's skin that is quite compromised.
    Something is going on under there
    I would suggest you get him to a herp vet.

    In the meantime, you could apply Neosporin ( WITHOUT PAIN RELIEF.... as pain reliever will kill the frog).
    Use a q-tip to apply this - daily -while he is sleeping, if possible.

    A vet vet may suggest a different topical and/ or systemic medication for your frog.

    Your frog looks good , otherwise........healthy and chubby.

    Just wondering, is it possible this spot is the result of something that may have 'dripped' on him?
    Cleaner? , medicine ?

    If so, this would create a burn type of injury that needs a different medication, such as SSD.
    ("Silversulfadiazene is a topical antibiotic and antifungal that promotes healing while discouraging scarring")

    If you do not have a hep vet ....here is a link ( Dr Frye will need photos )

    http://www.frogforum.net/tree-frogs/...-prepared.html

    Please keep us posted
    Lynn
    Thank you for your reply. It looks much worse tonight. I unfortunately do not have a herp vet in my area that I know of. The last exotic vet I went to stated that they knew herps but really clearly didnt. I will email Dr. Frye tonight, I just hope I have time. I may try to call around tomorrow as well to try to find a herp vet somewhere.

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    Default Re: whites tree frog discolored spot

    Sorry, poor baby
    Can you get the Neosporin started?
    It could really make a difference.

    I wonder if it's a bite?

    Lynn
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    Quote Originally Posted by flybyferns View Post
    Sorry, poor baby
    Can you get the Neosporin started?
    It could really make a difference.

    I wonder if it's a bite?

    Lynn
    I just applied neosporin. This frog is housed with another who does not have any skin issues. He just ate and I am now trying to figure out a container to keep him in separated from the other guy until we can get him treated. I really appreciate your help I am very worried about him.

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    Oh...It's no trouble at all.
    Get the neo on in the middle of the night, again, if possible.
    And then again tomorrow AM. You just need a dab.

    Feed him well.

    It's good that you are getting him into a quarantine tank You will be able to keep a closer eye on him.
    Plus, there are so many possibilities as to what this could be. It's best for the other frog as well

    Dampened paper towels ( de-chorinated H20) do all you can to maintain the temp and humidity he is accustomed to. Caver 3 sides of the tank - it will help him feel safer

    Dr Frye will help.
    He will get back to you tomorrow.

    I , just, hate when they're sick.
    Lynn
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    Hows he doing? I had a couple ideas:

    maybe he got wedged somewhere and got a tiny abrasion that was a thin line so you couldnt see it weel, then eventually the bruising showed up- its happened before but i am just throwing out possibilities to get you thinking?

    possibly a fungus or infection?

    also maybe a chemical or cleaner?

    let us know how he does

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    Quote Originally Posted by rikkitiger View Post
    Hows he doing? I had a couple ideas:

    maybe he got wedged somewhere and got a tiny abrasion that was a thin line so you couldnt see it weel, then eventually the bruising showed up- its happened before but i am just throwing out possibilities to get you thinking?

    possibly a fungus or infection?

    also maybe a chemical or cleaner?

    let us know how he does
    Thank you for your reply. I have only had them for 3 months. I have not used any chemical cleaners recently. fungus infection or infection of any kind is a real possibility. Im not thinking abrasion as they sleep in cork tubes and have plenty of space in them, the diameter is larger than their bodies. But a bite is a possibility as well. I noticed the other day that some crickets had found a way behind the background. I just hate crickets but these hungry frogs have eaten all of my dubias of the size they should eat. I started crickets as well to let the roaches grow. So a bite from a cricket that got infected is possible as well.

    I breed a ton of insects for my chameleons so these guys eat a wide variety, they get silks, horns, isopods, roaches, crickets, flies, phoenix worms, you name it. I even tried giving them a snail since I started breeding those, but they spit it out.

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    Hello,

    Well McFly seems to be doing ok. He ate plenty last night and was as active as usual. I am waiting to hear from Dr. Frye. Here is how he is looking this morning. It really does look like a bite or injury of some type.

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    Oh ! He does look better !
    Good for you !
    Looks like something going on over the R eye in this current photo ?
    I noticed that in post #4 also.... a discoloration.
    You might send this update to Dr Frye.
    One needs to be especially careful when treating the skin near their eyes.

    There are some medication that should be kept on hand at all times, Dr Frye can tell you all about it.

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    Dendrobates tinctorius “Powder Blue"
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    Phyllobates terribilis "Orange"
    Phyllobates bicolor "Uraba"

    Oophaga pumilio "Black Jeans"
    Oophaga pumilio "Isla Popa"
    Oophaga pumilio "Bastimentos"
    Oophaga pumilio “Mimbitimbi”
    Oophaga pumilio "Rio Colubre"
    Oophaga pumilio "Red Frog Beach”
    Oophaga pumilio "Rio Branco"
    Oophaga pumilio “Valle del Rey”
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    Quote Originally Posted by flybyferns View Post
    Oh ! He does look better !
    Good for you !
    Looks like something going on over the R eye in this current photo ?
    I noticed that in post #4 also.... a discoloration.
    You might send this update to Dr Frye.
    One needs to be especially careful when treating the skin near their eyes.

    There are some medication that should be kept on hand at all times, Dr Frye can tell you all about it.

    Lynn
    Thank you. Yes there is something on the left and also over his right eye. I did send the Dr an update this morning. He is acting fine so I am hopeful that he will be strong and recover quickly.

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    THIS LOOKS NASTY. EWWW! Hope he gets better.

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    I heard back from Dr. Frye He suggested Silversulfadiazene Ointment and Baytril topically. I am having the meds sent overnight so we will begin treatment tomorrow. I will update with his progress. Thank you for the help.

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    follow both of those doses to the T! Both of those drugs are great however if you overdose it will have more of a negative impact on your frog. I have both of those in my froggy first aid kit! =) I also recomend getting METRO on hand. Its good when your froggies have parasites in there tummys. Please take a look at this first aid kit: I go buy it and many froggers here do as well. Sometimes you are not given enough time and you will need the kit ONHAND otherwise its to late.

    https://www.airexotics.com/frog-first-aid-kit-1.html

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    I am really bummed out tonight. the medications didnt come today even though I paid to get them shipped overnight. I guess I will just continue the neosporin and hope they arrive tomorrow. Its just really upsetting right now.

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    Pigglett,

    What time did you order overnight? Dr. Fry usually will send you a receipt upon shipment. I never had an issue with timing with Dr. Fry. Thats strange....

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJ PELCHER View Post
    Pigglett,

    What time did you order overnight? Dr. Fry usually will send you a receipt upon shipment. I never had an issue with timing with Dr. Fry. Thats strange....
    I ordered it over the phone Thursday morning. It still hasn't arrived, but Dr. Fry said he would look in to it. I am still applying neosporin in the mean time.

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    Meds just arrived! Can start treatment today.

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    McFly started the meds from Dr. Frye yesterday. The neosporin really helped and now he is definitely on the road to recovery. Here is an update on how he looks. Thank you for the help. I hope he can move back in with Biff in their main tank soon.

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