Gingerbread. Impaction survivor.

[Heatheranne]

Hi Danfrog,

I am sorry this is happening to your frog. Lets take a step back and reevaluate.

The flipping over is a sure sign of stress. Try and keep things calm and quiet with minimal hands on. Only as necessary.

The spinning I have encountered with a few of my friends' frogs over time....

My buddy's frog does this when he eats too much. He will spin around and lean to one side (almost always to the right). He acts almost as though he has a belly ache. He says his frog stops after he finally poops. ? Gas pains ?

My bullfrog leaned to one side and occasionally spun around when he had an ear infection, though in this case, not applicable. Fluid in tympanum = vertigo and dizziness.

And, yes, the third thought is neurological....whether it be stroke related or deficiency/toxicity. Being we can't do a CAT/CT scan, we will have to monitor his symptoms. The arms straight out is concerning. It generally signifies a calcium deficiency. Being the treatments you have provided, this is highly unlikely. There is calcium in reptaboost, some in mvi's and of course in calcium supplements.

This is only an educated guess, but I'll throw it out there....

My guess is stress combined with abdominal cramping from vitamin overload and neurological symptoms from high vitamin levels.

Both Grif and Mentat are accurate...in a normal, healthy, properly hydrated frog that has good kidneys and liver function, the frog should be able to regulate the vitamins and electrolytes if provided in proper doses and if provided with a water bowl and proper humidity.

IF accurate...
minimizing stress, gently setting the frog in a regular dechlorinated water water-bowl soak in his own tank (and not to worry if he gets out...just let him. Set him in after you feed him.), providing 80% humidity and nice moist substrate (moistened with dechlorinated water), and going back to a regular feeding schedule of only soft foods such as night crawler or earthworm pieces (easy to digest) with a usual calcium/vita D3 and mvi schedule, he should level out and be fine. Start the next feeding with no supplements.

If you keep us posted on his symptoms we will know easier and can continue to guide you. We can guide you as to when to restart his mvi and Ca/D3 depending on his symptoms and/or resolution of symptoms.

Try not to get too worked up when caring for him, even though I know it's hard. They can feel your stress.

Hoping he does okay for you tonight! I'll be waiting to hear and will follow this post along with Grif and Mentat.

Good luck!