Sparrows

[mattfish]

i didnt even think before i did it but was it a good idea to feed my pixie a sparrow? He seems fine but another sparrow flew into the window and i threw it in the freezer. i named this new dead bird "freebee"
thanks everyone,
Dr. Matt

[SCF]

i didnt even think before i did it but was it a good idea to feed my pixie a sparrow? He seems fine but another sparrow flew into the window and i threw it in the freezer. i named this new dead bird "freebee"
thanks everyone,
Dr. Matt

I personally wouldn't. You have no idea what that sparrow has consumed, come in contact with, or even posses.

[poison]

What a horrible way to die

I agree with SCF.

[SCF]

On a side note, you must keep your windows pretty clean!

[DeltaElite121]

Wild birds are massive hosts for parasites (internalized and transitional). That would be the VERY last thing I'd feed my frog.

[mattfish]

my wife is a clean nut. sparrows must just be stupied

[NialR35]

No, unless you want to increase the possibility of making your frog sick. Captive bred frogs don't have the same antibodies and immunity as wild ones.

[nok1888]

That's a nastie way to kill an animal

2.0 Border Collies - Jinky and Chance
3.0 Cats - Monty, Dodger and Crunchie
1.1 Royal Pythons Orlina and Sedrick
0.1 BCI Boa - Aasia
1.0 Western Hognose - Hagrid
0.1 Bearded Dragon - iiara

[mattfish]

I first froze the bird to kill off any main parasites. If that matters at all?
some say parasites wont die from being frozen But........ In my experiences, i have not had any issues if the food was frozen then thawed. it does seem to do the trick. But what do i know, i am just a Dr. We dont know everything!!!

[GrifTheGreat]

I first froze the bird to kill off any main parasites. If that matters at all?
some say parasites wont die from being frozen But........ In my experiences, i have not had any issues if the food was frozen then thawed. it does seem to do the trick. But what do i know, i am just a Dr. We dont know everything!!!

Parasites will die, but I believe their eggs can survive. Bacteria and viruses don't die after being frozen, but I assume you knew that.

[Lija]

agree, don't feed, you have no idea what you might be feeding with your freebee pesticides, bacteria, viruses, parasites ( that will not die in a freezer, not all of them anyway) the list might go on....

[mattfish]

agree, don't feed, you have no idea what you might be feeding with your freebee pesticides, bacteria, viruses, parasites ( that will not die in a freezer, not all of them anyway) the list might go on....

crickets, worms, fish, qualle chicks, mice, rats all pose the same risks. there are rat breeders that deal with diseases on a constant basis, especially if they a large volume facility. so always check fecal and the frog to see if anything looks weird.

[nok1888]

They can't break down parasites though. Obviously everyone's wrong except you so no point in keeping the conversation going.

As I said before, I just hope you get lucky and not give your frog something it can't recover from


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2.0 Border Collies - Jinky and Chance
3.0 Cats - Monty, Dodger and Crunchie
1.1 Royal Pythons Orlina and Sedrick
0.1 BCI Boa - Aasia
1.0 Western Hognose - Hagrid
0.1 Bearded Dragon - iiara

[mattfish]

parasites are almost evrywhere (its true, check it out). just because someone eats a parasite doesnt mean they are going to be definitely effected. if conditions are right parasites become a problem, but thats not everytime. If your body is weak you are more prone to diseases. Not every one died from the black plague. But just like humans if you introduced to certain things in small quanities at a young age you are less prone to fall prey to them later. Thats adapting. so it is a good idea to introduce different things to your frog and start at a young age. You should NOT do this if your frog is old and has never had it before in its life. that may be a higher risk.

[mattfish]

The FDA has required all fish (with the exception of tuna) destined to be served raw in the U.S. to be frozen at a minimum of minus four degrees Fahrenheit for seven days or minus thirty-one degrees Fahrenheit for fifteen hours. Either process will kill any and all parasites inside of a fish. Freezing in this method happens so quickly that the ice crystals that form are very short and don't pierce through cell walls, and so the fish can legally be sold as “Fresh.”

Those are not my words but the words of a sushi expert.

[Monza geckos]

The immune system can't fight parasites matt

[mattfish]

The immune system can't fight parasites matt

A healthy immune system is designed to destroy ANY foreign bodies that enter into it... That is a FACT

[BlueKiwiOca]

A healthy immune system is designed to destroy ANY foreign bodies that enter into it... That is a FACT

Yet people and animals with seemingly healthy immune systems succumb to illnesses- whether caused by bacteria, viruses or parasites- get very sick and still die. The immune system isn't faultless by a long mile, as amazing as it is.

Everyone who's commented on this thread is simply answering your earlier question: "Was it a good idea to feed my pixie a sparrow". You have your answers, and by a mile the answer is that it was not a good idea, because you do not know where the wild sparrow had been, whether it was clean and healthy and whether it was carrying any parasites or viruses. Pretty much a given that it had bacteria on it.

I would never feed any of my pets a dead wild animal, even if it had been frozen. My dog ate a freshly dead rabbit without me knowing until it was too late, and he got violently sick afterwards.

Just my two cents

[jfw60]

Matt, with out being insulting might I ask what it is your a Dr. of?

[mattfish]

Matt, with out being insulting might I ask what it is your a Dr. of?

I am not a medical doctor if that is what you are implying without insulting me. But doctorates are still large accomplishments and take many years to achieve none the less. Not to mention the loans you have to pay back for a little piece of paper that hangs on the wall. but i am not here to talk about myself, I am here to try to feed my frog things that are good for him and gives him a well balanced diet so i have a very old frog someday. Looks like all i have to do to make all you happier with my choices of feeders is to cook them before feeding them to Mr. Pickles. That is fine with me! No parasites to worry about ( but then again i never really worried in the first case because i only used healthy feeders to begin with) and one happy frog. Its now a win win!!!