One Of My Dumpy Frogs Died Today

[flybyferns]

Lets back up !

When was the last time this frog ate?
When was the last time you saw a poop?
How long have you had the frog?
Do you have Fluker's Repta Boost on hand?
Can you please post a photo of this frog
Have you controlled the temp?
Is the frog in a hospital set-up?
Do you find the frog sitting in the water dish.

The discoloration of the dyeing frog may have been because it was dyeing.

These light spots could be anything from a bacterial infection to parasites !

kahluafeeders,
The only 100% way you can determine if your frog has Chytrid fungus is to have it tested.
I believe you should know what your are treating.
I would seriously consider seeking help from a herp vet.

Here is Dr Frye's contact information:
http://www.frogforum.net/tree-frogs/...-prepared.html
Email him, send a photo , information including a weight or measurement of the frog.
He will not charge you.... to discuss his opinion for the use or ? instructions for this Chytrid treatment.
Any other medications can be ordered over the phone.

As far as handling the frog without gloves. All I can share with you is : I do not. I can not ....as I have 22 frogs and 6 species. It's an open door for the transmission 'bugs' from one enclosure to another. I use disposables between tanks...And still scrub my hands when I'm done. I guess if you do not have them... then continue scrubbing

BTW
Feed the frog the moths !!!! They are easier to digest than the worms !
I raise the wax worm moths for my tree frogs- they love them ( I never use the worms for food)

Lynn
Please PM or leave me a visitor's page message when you answer the above questions
Hope to talk to you soon

[fr0g9]

There are a wide variety of possible symptoms for Chytrid, but there is one symptom that seems most common: The Frog gets these "Lime Green Spots of Death" literally a day or two before it expires. My chocolate brown dumpy had spots that looked almost identical, they were a little bigger but then again my frog was probably 2-3 times that size (they started off as a cloudy grey spots and turned to lime green in his last hours). Any strange extending of the legs is also a tell-tale sign of Chytrid, and it's way more common than you might think for new frogs to come with it from the pet store.

I have no doubt in my mind that the Lamisil treatment saved one of my new Dumpy's, who came with an infection. I treated my other Dumpy that was housed with him as well, just in-case because it is very contagious between frogs. Both are doing great now, it's been almost a month later & their skin looks better than ever.

[fr0g9]

I tried to feed again last night, but as far as I see, it was a no-go. My waxworms are now either dead or turning into moths I've had them so long. I've never had anything turn down waxworms. Even my dog will eat them if I accidentally leave one within her reach.

Other than that, I'm confused as to weather I should try the fungus treatment or not. For more clarification, the frog that died was a dark green/brown color when I got him. There were no spots and then over the next few days he started to develop the spots as shown. The night before he died, most of his head was mottled but I don't have a photo of it. The frog that is still alive was also a dark green/brown when I got him and by the next day he was all light green and has been that way since, which is why I thought it was normal for the frog that died.

When I do handle my frogs, I make sure to wash my hands with dawn soap first (I work in the food industry, so it helps best to get food from around my nails). Then I rinse for about five minutes, scrubbing every part of my hand I can. Then I rinse them in water I've treated for the frogs for about a minute. I dry my hands and then spray them with the treated water I keep in a misting bottle (unless I know I'm only going in to get the water bowl or know I won't be touching the frogs, then I keep my hands dry). The only thing I can think of is that I don't wash my entire arms doctor-style and sometimes the frogs do climb further up. In general, however, they tend to stay on my fingers. Or my face. Lol. ETA: Should I invest in some food grade gloves for handling? I don't plan on handling often, at least not the tree frog. The pacman needs it more often because I have to find him in order for him to know I've put food in the cage. Otherwise he'd starve. Lol

So, should I get the fungus treatment just in case or not bother? I'm confused.

Sorry I'm not trying to confuse you with an information overload! Were the spots always Lime Green, or did they turn this color at the end?

There are a lot of symptoms that can point to Chytrid: the thing I have noticed that really points to Chytrid it is if the Frog is fully extending his legs for no reason, this is not natural for them.

[Mentat]

IRT Green Spots: http://www.frogforum.net/tree-frogs/...een-spots.html. Recommend follow Lynn's advice and contact either a local Herp Vet or Dr. Frye. IMO the priority is to get this frog some nourishment ASAP, good luck !

[fr0g9]

I believe you should know what your are treating.
I would seriously consider seeking help from a herp vet.

As do I, but if the Frog hasn't eaten in 2 weeks you probably won't have time to have it tested and wait on test results. I had a chocolate colored Dumpy, she was my Favorite Frog, she showed spots that looked very much like the ones in your picture before succumbing to a fungal infection. If it was my frog I would take the chance and try the treatment, Lamisil Defense Spray Powder only cost $5 at walmart and it has worked for a lot of people!

For my new Frog I did not have him tested, I saw many different signs which I researched them I confirmed it was all pointing to fungus! My favorite Frog had just died a week ago so you could say I somewhat panicked when I saw all these issues with my new baby. His belly/legs were red and looked blistering, small dark ulcers forming on his back, muscle spasms (back leg twitches), and was scratching his nose against the sides of the glass! His natural spotting was also worrying me because it wasn't there when I got him, he has some small white spots with dark rings on his sides/back, but now I know those are just part of his natural look and only appear during the day when he's showing off his bright colors! The reason I picked him out at the store was because his chocolate color reminded me of my Big Frog, he hasn't been brown since i had him now he's an amazing blue/green!

[kahluafeeders]

So I suppose doing the treatment as a precaution probably won't kill the frog right? I'll get photos in the morning and message Dr. Frye. When I came home from work about 40 minutes ago, the frog moved from his favorite spot on the container I keep in there to the grapevine. I didn't see any waxworm moths, but I also didn't look too closely. If they're still in there, they are either in the fake plant or behind the cork board. When I treat the frog tomorrow, I will be tearing down the entire tank. I'm going to have to look for an extra shoe box for feeding.

On the plus side, I had given up on my cricket cultures and went to toss out the soil. I opened up my shoebox and discovered that I now have several hundred baby crickets (at least). They took forever to hatch, but it looks like I have the beginnings of a colony. I'll be adding some older crickets over the next few months so that I can stagger breedings. Now all I have to do is get up the courage to breed waxworms. I hear they are tough to breed compared to other bugs. And if only I had the money to restart my dubia colony... I'm down to about six and that is slow growth! Same with my mealworms. I let them putter out too and only have a hundred or so left.

So, when I break down the cage tomorrow, should I toss the Eco Earth or freeze it or bake it? It's practically brand new and I'd love to reuse it. Also, should I freeze or bake the cork board and grapevine? Poor froggie will have a pretty bare tank for a while during treatment. I also don't know if I should use grape seed oil or vinegar to sanitize the tank. I've always used vinegar with my animals, but it's pretty smelly stuff. Last but not least, I'm wondering if I can make my own substrate for the frog? For my turtles, I use a top soil/sand/peat moss(sphagnum)/sheet moss mix. Would this work for a frog?

[flybyferns]

Hi,
Sorry, I have never used vinegar to sanitize hospital enclosures.
I use bleach and rinse THOROUGHLY with de-chlorinated water.
I don't know what size tank you are cleaning..?..but you don't need much bleach.
I use 10 gallon tanks for hospital tanks. I fill then right to the brim with tap water in the bathtub or the driveway.
Add the bleach and let it soaks...then fill...siphon out...fill...and add de-chlorinator. rinse, rinse, rinse


http://www.frogforum.net/general-dis...uarantine.html

I would suggest you bake and not freeze.
The advantage of using the tropical soil is.........it's coco fiber, more resistant to mold or mildew. The bricks might be cheaper.
You can get a great deal reptile/amphibian at shows.

I would not remove the frog from it's enclosure to feed.
It's too stressful on them to be handled...it will be very reluctant to eat afterwards.

Consider putting a clear glass bowl right into the hospital / or cleaned enclosure. ( 3" sides)
Add the crickets and modified moths into the bowl. ( pull a few legs off the wax worm moths)
Throw lots in there--like a dozen crickets - the movement of the feeders will get the frogs attention. Count the feeders.

The bowl works great- you are able to keep it really clean, keep track of what he is eating, and the dusting stays on better.
Your frog can live in an enclosure w/ very dampened paper towel ( de-clor water) indefinitely.

Cover three sides of the tank with a towel ( or something) leaving only the fort open. Don't handle the frog unless absolutely necessary!,
Keep him in complete darkness at night if possible.

Three sides of the enclosure should remain covered for as long as necessary. Provide a consistent day/night cycle.
--- ie until he comes out to feed after lights out without being intimidated by you being there.

Waxworms
Yes they take a long time. I use rolled was paper, wheat germ and honey for their substrate. Put in enough honey to so it holds together when you pinch it. Not too sticky. Store the extra substrate in the freezer and add when needed.
Tip: wax worms like to be very crowded. Better off using a few smaller containers than one large one.
Careful with fabric on the lids-they will chew right trough it. My tree frogs go crazy for the moths. The make a great treat.
The moths are perfect for a frog that is not eating as the fluttering wings really get the frog's attention.



These are 18 oz container, with very small air hoes in the lids.

I hope all goes well for you. Thinking about you !

I wondered how long it's been since he ate?. You may have to force feed him?

[kahluafeeders]

He's never eaten in my care as far as I know. Though, I have not seen the two moths that were in there. I'll take a better look right now...

After looking, there are two options: either they went behind the cork board and I can't see them, or they were eaten. I checked the fake vine and didn't see anything. Frog is actually curious and alert. He started to scramble out of the way when he thought I was going to hit him with the plant. Perhaps he did eat? After breakfast, I'm going to bee-bop over to get more feeders and try to get more moths. As long as they stay in the cage, were good. The cage is an 18x18x24 I think. It's such a huge cage for one frog, but I had two in there. I do have a smaller cage, but the pacman is in there (somewhere, haven't seen him in a week).

[flybyferns]

He's never eaten in my care as far as I know. Though, I have not seen the two moths that were in there. I'll take a better look right now...

After looking, there are two options: either they went behind the cork board and I can't see them, or they were eaten. I checked the fake vine and didn't see anything. Frog is actually curious and alert. He started to scramble out of the way when he thought I was going to hit him with the plant. Perhaps he did eat? After breakfast, I'm going to bee-bop over to get more feeders and try to get more moths. As long as they stay in the cage, were good. The cage is an 18x18x24 I think. It's such a huge cage for one frog, but I had two in there. I do have a smaller cage, but the pacman is in there (somewhere, haven't seen him in a week).

Oh my - a week? I hope you find him?

Keep us posted, I hope you are to take advantage of all the great advice within this thread

[kahluafeeders]

I sure am trying to. However I've been to six walmarts and can only find lam idol defense spray powder. I'm not sure if I can use that one or if it has to be the continuous apart one.

[flybyferns]

Were you able to email or call Dr Frye?
There could be other ways he could you instruct as to how to do the treatment.
Lamisil comes in different forms ; spray, cream, pills ? It could be something very simple?

Perhaps fr0g9 has additional information regarding this ?

[kahluafeeders]

Wow, lamisil was auto corrected in my last post. I'm currently in the ER as I've been sick for the past three days. Anyway if I can ever get out of here, I'll email dr. Frye. I'm surprised I've been able to connect here at all. My emails aren't pulling up on my phone