One Of My Dumpy Frogs Died Today

[kahluafeeders]

I've got to be doing something wrong. The original Dumpy I bought like two weeks ago is now dead. I still hadn't been able to get it to eat and the second Dumpy hasn't eaten either. I feel terrible because I've tried everything. The cage is at 75% humidity. I had finally gotten it stabilized to that. The temperature I can't do much about at this point as the fan will only cool off so much. Last week it was averaging 90 degrees so I kept the lamp off. Now it's averaging 80 degrees. I've changed the water every day with dechlorinated water and the cage is in a low traffic area. My cats don't even know the frogs are there so I know they aren't terrorizing the frogs.

I just don't know what to do. I had been trying many different bugs but no takers. I've left bug overnight, over several nights, used tongs, plopped them right in front of the frogs. I haven't been handling the frogs at all except for when Dumpy #2 jumped from the branch and landed on my face (had to handle then).

What can I be doing that is so wrong to have a frog rather die than eat? The Pacman is doing just fine. I never see him but the bugs are disappearing so I know he's eating at least. I don't want to wake up to find my second tree frog dead as well. Can anyone tell me if there is something wrong with my setup? Am I just getting the humidity and temperature wrong? I've read dozens of care sheets on the guys, including one's listed here on the forum. I just don't know what to do... Too bad someone from here couldn't drive over and fix whatever I've got wrong. That'd be nice.

[kueluck]

Where did you get them, and have either one pooped since you've had them? Also 90 degrees is pretty hot for them, you don't want the temp over 85.

[Mentat]

I'm very sorry for your frogs death . They like day warm day temps of 85F; but 90F is too high and could have contributed to death. Keep offering crickets to survivor and if want to try force feeding (last resort thing) get some Fluker's Repta Boost.

You can also offer highly nutritious night crawlers to your Pacman (from Walmart's sport section, get the un-dyed kind). Earthworms length should be around same as frog SVL. You can cut from pointy end if required and they can also be rinsed in dechlorinated water, pat dry in paper towel, and dusted in bowl before feeding. Good luck and keep us up to day on feeding efforts .

[fr0g9]

I'm very sorry for your frogs death . They like day warm day temps of 85F; but 90F is too high and could have contributed to death.

They prefer it in the 80s during the day, but please stop being paranoid 90F isn't going to hurt your frog in any way.

On a side note, the remaining frog was dark when I got him and then lighted to a green. He's been that way ever since. The one that just died had been staying a dark green and then over the past week had gotten some spotting. He was really spotted yesterday on his head and this morning he was bright green like the one still living is. I wasn't worried as I had read that these guys to change their colors and often get dappling. The color on my now dead frog was flush against the skin and not raised or indented, so I thought nothing of it. I think I might have pictures of it, but I'll have to dig through my recent photo imports. I'll get them up tomorrow.

Spots appearing that weren't there when you got him are a RED FLAG!! A description of picture of the spotting would do a lot of good right now. If the frog had dark spots that look like small ulcers, or large puffy grey spots that to turn lime green spots right before death, you are looking at a fungal infection. If the spots are small white specs that usually run up the back, you are dealing with a bacterial infection. Actually based on the temperatures you are providing us, there is little to no chance it's fungal because Chytrid requires lower temps in the 70's to spread. Small white spots can also be natural, but generally speaking, specks are smaller than spots and always point to a bacterial infection.

First things first, clean that tank out and clean it good. No telling when the last time the pet store did a full cleaning and actually removed everything from the tank (I would be willing to bet NEVER). Next thing you need to do is determine what type of infection the first frog had (or if it had one), and treat the second Frog accordingly.

[Sasha]

Everyone has given good advise. I know your frog isn't eating right now but you want to get calcium WITH D3. The need the D3 to process the calcium.

[kahluafeeders]

Just to clarify, the cage is brand new with new everything. They were housed in a smaller ZooMed at the store together. Also, I do have both Calcium with D3 and without (my turtles live outside so they don't need the D3).

Here are photos of the frog that died:

[Louis Charles Bruckner]

Sorry to hear about your loss.

Gail is spot on with her questions but you might want to fill out the trouble in the enclosure section here to give us a better picture what's going on.
If there's any way possible you can move the enclosure to a cooler area like a basement that would be preferable.
Hopefully we can work out a solution and save your other baby best wishes.

1. Size of enclosure
2. # of inhabitants - specifically other frogs and size differences
3. Humidity
4. Temperature
5. Water - type - for both misting and soaking dish
6. Materials used for substrate
7. Enclosure set up i.e. plants (live or artificial), wood, bark and other materials.
- How were things prepared prior to being put into the viv.
8. Main food source
9. Vitamins and calcium? (how often)
10. Lighting
11. What is being used to maintain the temperature of the enclosure
12. When is the last time he/she ate
13. Have you found poop lately
14. A pic would be helpful including frog and enclosure (any including cell phone pic is fine)
15. How old is the frog
16. How long have you owned him/her
17. Is the frog wild caught or captive bred
18. Frog food- how often and if it is diverse, what other feeders are used as treats
19. How often the frog is handled
20. Is the enclosure kept in a high or low traffic area
21. Describe enclosure maintenance (water changes, cleaning, etc)

[kahluafeeders]

As I said, I can't do anything about the temperature. The air conditioner broke and my landlord hasn't fixed it. I no longer keep the lights on because of it. I do live in the basement, so that's as cool as it will be getting unfortunately.

I got them from a place called Scales N Tails, which is a local reptile shop. They're usually pretty decent and tomorrow I'm going to go up and talk with them.

1-size of enclosure: 18x18x24 ZooMed Terrarium
2-# on inhabitants - specifically ( if there is another frog ---size differences ?): Had two Dumpys but now only one.
3-humidity: 75% humidity, less when it gets over 90 degrees but never falling under 50%
4-temp: Also varies but is between 85-90 degrees F
5-water - type - for both misting and soaking dish: Dechlorinated tap
6-materials used for substrate: Eco Earth
7-enclosure set up i.e. plants( live or artificial) wood, bark etc -how were things prepared prior to being put into the viv: Fake vine plant, grapevine - All washed prior
8-main food source: None currently as they haven't eaten! Tried crickets, dubia, earthworms, and waxworms so far
9-vitamins and calcium ? ( how often ): None as of yet until they eat, then I have calcium powder without D3 (got for my turtles who live outside)
10-lighting: None as they would raise the heat even more.
11-what is, specifically, being used to maintain the temperature of the enclosure: Nothing
12-when is the last time he ate: Dead frog ate one cricket once two weeks ago (I think). The new/remaining frog hasn't eaten at all.
13-have you found poop lately: One poop a week or so ago
15-How old is the frog: not sure, young I'm guessing
16-How long have you owned him/her: Less than a month
17-Is the frog wild caught or captive bred: No idea
18- Frog food- how often and if it is diverse, what other feeders are used as treats: I've tried all readily available bugs with no takers
19- about how often the frog is handled: Handled once a week, usually because the remaining frog seems to think my face is the best place to be.
20-is the enclosure is kept in a high or low traffic area: Low traffic. Kept in my bedroom but I am gone most of the day. They have to put up with watching cats, who don't seem to know they are there.

[Mentat]

As I said, I can't do anything about the temperature. The air conditioner broke and my landlord hasn't fixed it. I no longer keep the lights on because of it. I do live in the basement, so that's as cool as it will be getting unfortunately....

Bad landlord ! Can you move enclosure to a friend or family house with AC until landlord fixes yours? Those high temps are not good to your frog's and your health too !

[helm96]

If you cannot take them to a Friends house maybe try freezing a bottle of water (or a gallon jug to increase the area of cooling) and place it against the outside of the enclosure. Even if it does not cool the enclosure it will give the WTF a cooler place to go to for some relief. Anything you can do to drop the temp without endangering the frog is highly encouraged. But above all else I agree with Carlos, see if a friend or family can watch them until AC is fixed. High temps are really bad on these little guys.