Friends pacman frog - help needed again

[Hypnotic]

Text, I've read this before and someone please correct me if I'm wrong, an adult frog should have no trouble digesting a mouse, given the temperature and humidity are good.
I have no idea if horned frogs can even be eggbound, if you believe she is (wich I highly doubt), take her to a vet emediately.
A mate won't change anything about this. For one, she's allready eggbound, so what good would a mate do her? Why get her a mate? Unless you plan to love and care for another frog, you don't need to get another one.
They aren't exactly animals that live in groups, they are cannibalistic to the bone.
Text, please create a topic and fill out the enclosure questions, several people on here suspect your frog might need help and that there is something wrong. I don't mind you posting in my topic, but for the sake of getting the help you need and keeping the forum uncluttered, please create a topic.

[Hypnotic]

i am surprised to hear you claim that . My frog is in fine condition and as healthy as they come.As i hand raise the mice i feed her I feed the mice lettuce , crackers, cheese, peanut butter, and grains .their bones have a lot of calcium in them , that's about as gut loaded as you can get .FYI she will not eat crickets anymore nor does she care for worms . She will actively pursue a mouse giving her exercise . She gets humidified every day and lives in soft moss store bought not wild. i am no novice to raising reptiles or amphibians and my 50 gallon terrarium is large enough to house another one in there with a an easy way of keeping them separate with a simple modification to my tank but yet i can still allow them to communicate with each other and to coexist peacefully.I am not hurting my frog.shes a verey healthy large adult pacman frog that i raised form the size of a nickle.but ty for you opinion we are all entitled to them.

I have never heard of anyone gutloading feeders with what you are using, most people use fresh fruits and vegetables. Get your frog off moss, moss can be swallowed during feeding and lead to impaction, be it store bought or wild found. Mice aren't a good staple, So far I've only seen you talk about mice as food, what else do you feed? You are aware that a diet consisting of mostly mice is bad for your frog right? Because you seem to talk about feeding mice like you do it on a weekly basis.
I've owned my adult female for a year and a half+-, she has seen 5 mice in total since she was an adult, those 5 were fed on a montly basis and currently, I've decided to schedule 1 mouse once every 3-4 months.
If your feeding mice for the calcium, just dust other feeders, it's far more effective and easy to digest. Horned frogs eat rodents in the wild, but not as a staple.
Also, I've read you kept your pacman with american bullfrogs? Never mix different species, while it might go right once, maybe twice, it's an accident waiting to happen, and incase of pacmans, don't let them share a tank for the following reasons: They aren't group animals, even with a devider, frogs sitting near eachother can pass illness onto eachother, especially if you get a new frog. The only reason I kept my babies in a tank with a devider was because they are siblings, both from the same mother & father, purchased at exactly the same place and time. I would never buy a new pacman frog and risk it with putting them in a tank together.

Edit: Also, please don't brush off all the helpfull advice offerd by the people here, the reason why we are all here is to share our frogs with eachother and learn the right way to take care of them. The last person I saw brushing off advice on a different forum, ended up with a dead frog and I think that's something all of us want to prevent.

[Truffs1178]

i am surprised to hear you claim that . My frog is in fine condition and as healthy as they come.As i hand raise the mice i feed her I feed the mice lettuce , crackers, cheese, peanut butter, and grains .their bones have a lot of calcium in them , that's about as gut loaded as you can get .FYI she will not eat crickets anymore nor does she care for worms . She will actively pursue a mouse giving her exercise . She gets humidified every day and lives in soft moss store bought not wild. i am no novice to raising reptiles or amphibians and my 50 gallon terrarium is large enough to house another one in there with a an easy way of keeping them separate with a simple modification to my tank but yet i can still allow them to communicate with each other and to coexist peacefully.I am not hurting my frog.shes a verey healthy large adult pacman frog that i raised form the size of a nickle.but ty for you opinion we are all entitled to them.

I was just concerned about her eating so many mice because too many mice can result in corneal lipid deposits which lead to blindness as no light can get through to the retina.

[Lija]

Hypnotic sorry for off topic again, just want to clarify for people who might be reading this and thinking it is ok to feed mice only and keep on a moss or keep these guys in group so the can socialize.
IT IS NOT OK!

there's no really a way for us to convince you Text that it is not good for them to be kept and fed like that, but if you want a constructive discussion we sure can do so in a separate thread, as you see a lot of people are concerned for your frog. she is not egg bound, she is overweight , and i don;t need to see a pics to tell you this. I'll just say feeding like you do it is like for human to live on hamburger and french fries diet, doesn't matter if it is your won grown potatoes and your own raised "meat".
in time fat deposits will appear in eyes ( thus blindness) and otehr vital organs, and only matter of time when it is gonna be too late. please please for your frog sake reconsider her diet.

[Hypnotic]

Allright guys, here is the update: I soaked Buddah in a lukewarm bath with 3 drops of honey for 30 minutes, gently rubbing both sides in circular motion, no poop at all. His sides felt flat, no hardness at all, so we might be able to assume he's going under the substrate, I'l tell my friend to check for it.
Also, I measured little Buddah, he measures in at 8CM (3.14") and my friend should have him around or over a year now, I've looked this up and it seems males can become 2.5"-5", so his growth does not seem stunted but he does appear to be very small. I've rubbed a worm over his lips for several minutes, then tryed a locust, wich he both declined. I then decided it was enough and just put the locusts in his enclosure.
If there is anything else we can do, please tell us.
(afterwards I did a regular soak)
Edit: it seems the site I looked the size up on isn't reliable at all, also says these frogs can be kept at 60 degrees during the night, so could someone please tell me the correct sizes males and females should be between?
Thanks in advance!

[danfrog]

If he isn't stunted he is extremely small. My frog was that size just after a couple of months. Cant tell if he is puffed up or not in the pic. But looks like he might be a bit bloated especially after not eating for so long. Is he kinda squishy to touch?

[Hypnotic]

Sides yes, I'd say he was a little puffed up, his back feels like a rock though, I can feel the bone and I'm not sure that's normal, I've handled my female quite a few times since I've owned her and I don't remember her being that rock hard.
It's like he has little to no backfat at all. Well, I assume he's stunted tbh, he's wildcaught and the petshop we got him from isn't exactly super. We both just want to get this little guy eating and we aren't sure what we can do besides a vet trip.
Note: the frog spent over 6 months in the store, I bought my female the day it arrived, so little to no damage could have been done to her by bad care.

[danfrog]

Oh he is wild caught?! Hmm I'm not really sure about wild caught froggies. I heard they can be hard to care for. I know there are a few things you can do with wild caught frogs, but I'm afraid I'm not experienced enough and don't want to give the wrong information. Better ask GriftheGreat or Lija.

[Hypnotic]

I actually just went back because I forgot my cigarettes, seems one locust is missing, so he did eat something, but it just seems like he eats really little for a pacman his size. So I would love opinions on what's best to feed him at this stage, remember we can't use tongs, he doesn't respond to them at all and only feeds when the insects are left roaming his terrarium, or would reducing his feed times per week increase his response?
Should we try dropping nightcrawlers near him in the hope he picks them up? Or is there something we can offer that has a better food value, just to bulk the little guy up a bit. I know silkworms are supposedly proteine bombs, would these be good?

[Hypnotic]

I'd like to post a small update on this and thank everyone, it seems my gut instinct was right. We were both given wrong care information from the store about night time temperatures, now the little guy doesn't burruw so much, and instead of eating one large cricket per meal 3-4 times a week (every 2 days), he now eats 2 big locusts per feeding, and compared to my female, that seems the right amount.
My friend has never been happyer and made me promise to thank everyone!

[danfrog]

I'm curious. What info did that petstore give you guys?

[Hypnotic]

Heat during the day to 75's and let them drop at night to 64ish, also, we both bought babies and he told us to feed twice a week. My girl was at 80ish since the beginning, as soon as I found a propper caresheet, I boosted her 83-84. Now there is a slight heatwave and my froggies are at 84-85 during the day and they seem to be loving it. My girl has always been fed a minimum of 3x a week, he never told us to feed certain numbers but I always dropped 4 locusts in from day one, and she usually ate all 4 of them. Now she eats 4-5 prey items a week, ranging from locusts, the occasional mouse, dubias and I'm currently training her to eat nightcrawlers.
But yeah, my friend lost all her trust in the bozo from the store and refuses to even buy wildcaught again. She makes me google caresheets and join forums for her animals. XD

[danfrog]

So your friends frog is good to go right?

[Hypnotic]

Yep, ate 3 big locusts today, don't think it has ever eaten this well. There was a major problem in communication on our end, I googled a caresheet and assumed she did the same, only untill recent problems, she asked me how I kept mine and she suffered a small shock. But yeah, since recently we found a store that is quite a drive, but alot better. Also buys captive bred from people to sell and doesn't just focus on quick euros with wild caught.
We can also tell the quality of the feeders is alot better, since they don't die on us after a week or two.

[danfrog]

Awesome! Good to hear.