Two New Dumpys Not Eating

[kahluafeeders]

1-size of enclosure: 18x18x24 ZooMed Terrarium
2-# on inhabitants - specifically ( if there is another frog ---size differences ?): Two Dumpys (I think the newest one is) about the same size
3-humidity: Varies from 50%-90% as I'm trying to figure out how to get it to 75% and stay
4-temp: Also varies but is between 70-85 degrees F
5-water - type - for both misting and soaking dish: Chlorinated tap
6-materials used for substrate: Eco Earth
7-enclosure set up i.e. plants( live or artificial) wood, bark etc -how were things prepared prior to being put into the viv: Fake vine plant, grapevine - All washed prior
8-main food source: None currently as they haven't eaten! Tried crickets and waxworms so far
9-vitamins and calcium ? ( how often ): None as of yet until they eat, then I have calcium powder without D3 (got for my turtles who live outside)
10-lighting: Red Nightlight (ZooMed) 60w for night and Daylight Blue (ZooMed) 60w for day
11-what is, specifically, being used to maintain the temperature of the enclosure: The bulbs currently
12-when is the last time he ate: The frog named Raisin, ate exactly one cricket two or three days ago. The unnamed new guy hasn't eaten.
13-have you found poop lately: Nope, but have only had them a few days

19- about how often the frog is handled: Currently handling at least once a day - but into original 18x18x18 cage, then removed to be put into 18x18x24, removed to take photos of new guy's legs, handled when new guy jumped and missed branch (fell half a foot in cage), handled when one tried to get comfortable on the edge of glass so I couldn't close the door.
20-is the enclosure is kept in a high or low traffic area: Low to medium traffic. Kept in my bedroom but I am gone most of the day. They have to put up with watching cats, who don't seem to know they are there.



Okay, so I'm being paranoid about my new frogs. Neither are eating regularly or seem all that interested. They also change colors often. The new guy is bright green now instead of the dark I originally bought him in. Raisin, my first, is obsessed with laying on the take-home container I placed in the cage. Am I handling them too much and that's why they aren't eating? I'm tempted to weigh them on my gram scale, but then I'd have to handle them again.

Also, new guy's legs are making me nervous. I'm being paranoid about red leg. Can someone call me crazy or confirm my fears? Thanks!

[flybyferns]

Hi kahluafeeders,
Sorry, try to relax about them.
Back up They will be ok...they look good.
They will be very happy in that enclosure!

Leave them be. They need to adjust. They will eat.
Don't handle them unless absolutely necessary as are very , very stressed by it.
Poor babies think they are going to be either squished or eaten.
You are a predator to them.

Cover three sides of the enclosure -- this will help them feel more secure.

The wood in the photo looks a little dry... spray it down a bit.
Avoid the coil type hygrometers. If possible use a closed probe type.

The frog's legs look fine.

Continue to feed them every night for now. Feed them well. Watch for poop.

Make sure they have a clean water dish ......daily !

<water - type - for both misting and soaking dish: Chlorinated tap ?? > I'm a little confused ?
All water should be de-chlorinated tap water. Use an amphibian safe de-chlorinator such as Aquatize:
Exo Terra Aquatize Terrarium Water Conditioner | Free Shipping - Pet360 Pet Parenting Simplified

Make sure the tank maintains the proper temps ! Don't let it get too cool during the day.
Get yourself a good probe type thermometer or 2.

If you don't need the red night light for warmth. You might turn it off. Let their enclosure be completely dark at night.

Try not to worry !
Please....Keep us posted.
Lynn

[Mentat]

A little info to add to Lynn's, is that the crickets should be same as distance between frogs eyes. Also, recommend feeding them on small glass bowls, since crickets stay in and it's easier to track if feeding and how much. Here is a good care article about them: Frog Forum - White's Tree Frog Care - Litoria caerulea . Good luck !

[kahluafeeders]

About the water - it should say dechlorinated. I was typing fast so I could jump off and get to work. Brain works faster than fingers. Lol.

So, legs are fine. Yes!

The branch is dry as it's grape vine. I have the humidity gage near about two inches above the substrate and still get up to 90% humidity. I'll have to look around for a better gauge. For the temperature, I use a temp gun, which is so much fun to use! I'm testing everything nowadays (It's the small things in life, huh?). I have been worried that it's been getting too cold at night around two or three in the morning. I can sleep through the red light and it keeps heat up. Perhaps I'll invest in a few heat emitters instead. I'll need to find a.... can't think of the word. The thing I can plug the heat emitter into that will turn it off when it gets to a certain temperature. What's that called?

I'll look into getting glass bowls as well for crickets. I currently have four waxworms in a shallow bowl but they didn't touch them last night. The crickets I have are too big I think, but they are breeding like crazy so I'll have a colony pretty quickly. I'll pick up some pinheads or the size up tomorrow. Too bad my dubia are too big as those would be fun to feed. I will also pick up something to cover the sides.

Do you really think I should keep the red light off at night? I'll have to wait until the 15th for my next check, so it will be a few more days. Raisin, the first frog I got, seems to be practically glued to the plastic container I put in. I do know that she/he took a soak because there was a bit of water on her/him, but otherwise this frog loves that container!

Hopefully they'll eat soon so I can stop worrying. My turtles don't even worry me this much!

[flybyferns]

Hi
You have everything organized very nicely.
The cricket's size is important. Make dinner easy.
Put lots in the bowl--- all the wiggling will get their attention

You could put cricks the bowl ( I use a clear glass bowl with about a 4" side) and on the sub. until you see them at the bowl.
They catch-on to the idea very quickly.The supermarket has them ( the storage ones that come with lids- usually by the plastic wrap.

Personally, I do not like the "night lights". I have 2 species of tree frogs - Agalychnis ( moreletii and callidryas) It's my personal opinion they do better in complete darkness. I turn a dim light on or use a flash light if I need to view them.

Yes I think the legs are fine.

The temp guns are great. I use fish tank thermometers too; they are accurate and easy to move around. Cheap $3.99, no cords and no darn batteries. I really don't care if see the thermometers. I would rather see the temps

Supplement ideas :

Rep-Cal Ultrafine Calcium with Vitamin D3 (PINK) - Rep-Cal Supplements | Josh's Frogs
Rep-Cal Herptivite Multivitamin (BLUE) - Rep-Cal Supplements | Josh's Frogs

alternate with

Repashy Calcium Plus (4 oz) - Calcium Plus Supplements | Josh's Frogs

Hope this helps --- anytime !
Have a great weekend.
Lynn

[Mentat]

...I'll need to find a.... can't think of the word. The thing I can plug the heat emitter into that will turn it off when it gets to a certain temperature. What's that called?...

That would be a rheostat (dimmer) if manual and a thermostat if automatic .

[kahluafeeders]

I still haven't been able to get these guys to eat.

[makrau03]

Alright, try this. Hold the crickets by the leg a little in front of their face. This pretty much puts them directly in their face to grab their attention. If still no success, email Dr. Frye. His info is listed on the forum's first page under first aid information.

[BlueKiwiOca]

How long have you had the frogs? If they're new, they may still be settling into their home. Handling them unduly will also add to stress From what I've heard it's perfectly normal for frogs to take a week or so to settle in, and may not eat during that period.

Are the sides and back of the tank covered in dark (preferably green) material? If not, do so, and it will reduce stress and make them feel more secure.
Also mist, remove poop etc when they are asleep. This way you don't disturb them.

Make sure there's plenty of foliage for them to hide amongst, but from the pictures it looks pretty good.

The redness you see under the skin on the frogs leg is simply muscle! Red leg appears as an angry red on the belly and underside of the legs. As for the dark-to-bright green colour change, you probably don't need to worry about that either. Frogs change colour according to their environment, humidity, temperature and stress.

Good luck