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    I can't believe I didn't catch these sooner! I was changing my frogs water bowl and found an earthworm had gotten stuck in it, and the surface of the water was FILLED with dust sized white mites/parasites of some kind! They're scattered through the soil, not nematodes, more like drastically scaled down fleas or springtails, none of them where larger than a comma, they have bug like, narrow, even, bodies and kind of glide along the surface of the water, I don't know if they came from the earthworms or my frog already had them and they're population exploded due to stress, but I suspect them came in with the soil. I didn't see any on my frog (checked around the eyes/mouth/and vent as best I could but she's very small and untouchable.), I've got some worms from the same bin in water to see if they were carrying the parasites.
    More concerning I found about three worms of some kind, short worms, they're definitely a different species, found in no particular area of the tank, there aren't many of them, about a centimeter long maybe? They are white with segmented bodies, dark heads, and a slight darkness at their rump, you can see the vein in their back, too small to get an image.

    I would send these in for testing+ make a vet trip (though maybe too stressful anyway) but #1 my frog hasn't pooped and #2 pay was just cut, and extra went into a small trip recently, there's absolutely nothing left and I'm on my own treating this, my dad has suggested I mix a drop of pure Neem oil into a water bottle to spray the tank while my frog is in a new bin nearby, would this be safe enough? It is supposed to degrade quickly and be the safest option for pest treatment I know, I'd just take the tank out to bleach but it has a background with live plants and may not even contain the mite/things. If they're mites will ladybugs eat them?

    I will disinfect the entire tank tomorrow and use a sterile bin for the next month at least, I'm also giving her a long warm bath. I don't know how to control this IF they really are parasites and are in my frog..

    I moved my frog into a small observation container with nothing but paper towel, a little water, and a quickly made hide. The poor girl has been on a hunger strike and I've been leaving her alone except when necessary (offering food at night, cleaning tank, changing water, and once replacing her hide with something more secure) she's just not settling down and every action stresses her out. I'm thinking I may need to be force fed but the extreme stress of that could just make thing even worse, especially if she's been infected. She NEEDS to eat, and soon, still plump enough and active, but it's been a week and even before that her appetite was spotty.


    For identification I can't get a picture, but maybe someone on here has dealt with similar to what I'm describing, or at least know a general treatment for parasites just in case, I won't know if they live inside the animals until tomorrow, but I have a high powered microscope if there is something to look for..

    I haven't slept all night so I've got to go, sorry for the ramble, just trying to get some information down before I leave.. I can't find any similar images either, so if you have a good resource for identifications, please tell me! I'm so scared.

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    OKAY worm like thing MIGHT be fruit fly/drain fly/gnat larva... it is kinda larva like.. I do have gnats

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    Update: Good news and really really bad news! They're not parasites!
    After soaking the 'infected' worms over night, no new mites appeared, on closer inspection I think are just something common from outside that was left unchecked in the terrarium. The worm is definitely from gnats or drain flies.

    BAD NEWS
    My frogs plumpness was from water! She's lost weight and is extremely stressed,I stupidly tried to force feed, it seemed time, at least while having a panic attack.. but she wouldn't open her mouth (I did this by gently but firmly holding her and rubbing the prey lightly by her mouth, she is too small to use a card.) I had no idea they could absorb that much water, had thought she'd eat more recently but found the worm shrunk under the heat, brown, hidden, as well as a couple other bugs I'd searched for but not found..
    I'm leaving her alone for a day or too to recover from the stress. Not even trying to feed, just leave her in the dark and warm for while. Her room is also a quite one luckily.
    I'll pick up a few crickets soon, can't afford to run out and get them now, petco wants like $7 a bag, but I'll get them in a day or two from a local shop, these are what she was fed in the store so I think they may stimulate her apatite.

    I'm replacing her substrate with paper towel while I try to get her health up, lots of dark caves and a rock she can climb onto to dry off.
    I'm not treating the tank with anything, I think just a good clean and removing the soil will take care of the infestation.

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    It's hard when a frog won't eat. All I can suggest is trying gently to put something between her "lips" so she opens her mouth, but you said she's too small for a card? I have a fairly small tree frog that I use only the corner of a card for. Is she showing any interest in prey at all?
    Leaving her alone when possible seems like a good option.
    Do you use distilled water? That could be a source of bloating, though really it could be anything.

    I'd suggest ReptaBoost for a frog that's lost a lot of weight although there's a cost factor and also it involves getting a frog to open its mouth.

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    Thanks for replying! I don't really have anyone to hold her for me so I can slip the card in and bug at the right time, but she's smaller than my thumb, I'm scared to rip the skin of her lip trying to wedge the card in. Are they very delicate or tend to keep their mouths open for a moment when pried?
    She did show interest earlier in the week in a dubia, no running after anything but really she tried to get it and sadly got dirt instead. Otherwise she doesn't respond unless something bumps into her and she withdraws her eyes. However she's always watching me back when I check on her so I can't say if she hunts while I'm gone. She spent about three or four days fully burrowed a couple days ago, but she had strength to snap at my finger when I accidentally bumped her nose checking the soil and then hop around her tank angrily until she found a new burrow. She's up today, after being moved the other night. Hopefully she'll stay up tonight so she can see the new food.

    I use tap water treated with Tetrafuana aqua safe for reptiles and frogs.

    Heading to the store for crickets right now, I will check if they have reptaboost, if I can I will get it. Otherwise I'll wait on that and try feeding dusted bugs unless it gets worse by payday.

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    Got crickets, they were out of mediums and I had to get the small, but I got enough to grow in the next week or two to a better size and I think some of them are large enough to catch her attention. They did have ReptaBoost available but I'll wait and see if she'll take the crickets first before getting it.


    Do babies like higher temps than adults? (thermostat varies by a few degrees over the day but it's averages about 80-83)

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