Two different sized pupils

[casslovesfrogs]

Hello, i have an albino pacman, he's been living here for a few months now. I think the last time i saw his pupils so constricted was the first time i took him home. Since then his pupils have always been more dilated. For the past two days though, one of his pupils has been very constricted, and will not go back to normal. I myself have anisocoria and was wondering if frogs could just simply develop it, or if i should be concerned? Seems to be no dirt in his eyes. No major changes of any kind to his tank. Anyone ever experience this?

[casslovesfrogs]

Sorry the pic is such low quality, i figured it was good enough for people to see what was up.

[Lija]

hi and welcome to the forums!

your frog has a neuro damage, depending on how long ago did it happen and why, it might be reversible and/or manageable.
please post your answers to the "trouble in the enclosure" questions here so we can help you better. ( Qs are in a sticky thread)

[GrifTheGreat]

Answer these questions http://www.frogforum.net/pacman-frog...enclosure.html and repost your answers here in your thread.

[DVirginiana]

My frog had neuro damage that affected her pupils similarly about a year ago, and it turned out to be a tox issue from getting too cold with food in her system (someone else was caring for her, so that's my best guess). In addition to posting the answers, I'd recommend doing a daily soak until you get more information. If there is a tox problem, that should help with it.
It's been over a year, and she is still kind of 'special needs' but doing fine in general. With neuro damage it may or may not ever get better.

[casslovesfrogs]

My frog had neuro damage that affected her pupils similarly about a year ago, and it turned out to be a tox issue from getting too cold with food in her system (someone else was caring for her, so that's my best guess). In addition to posting the answers, I'd recommend doing a daily soak until you get more information. If there is a tox problem, that should help with it.
It's been over a year, and she is still kind of 'special needs' but doing fine in general. With neuro damage it may or may not ever get better.

Thanks, so do you mean just to set him in there every day? Sorry im new to this forum thing. Does the water just help any toxicity exit through his skin?

[casslovesfrogs]

hi and welcome to the forums!

your frog has a neuro damage, depending on how long ago did it happen and why, it might be reversible and/or manageable.
please post your answers to the "trouble in the enclosure" questions here so we can help you better. ( Qs are in a sticky thread)

“Trouble in the Frog Enclosure”
The following information will be very helpful if provided when requesting assistance with either your frog or enclosure. To help with your questions, please utilize the below list and post the information in the proper forum area to get advice from FF members that keep the same frog. This will allow for little confusion and a faster more informed response.


1. Size of enclosure- it hold 2 frogs with a divider, i'd say it's 15 gal. I think the other green one is a girl, so once she grows more i will leave that encolsure to her and keep my albino in a different reptile keeper.
2. # of inhabitants - sort of answered up there, like i said there is a divider, they never come in contact, neither does their food. Both are pacmans.
3. Humidity- i don't have something to measure humidity, i'm assuming it's decently high because of the warmth and spraying
4. Temperature-hovers around 75, substrate is probably 68-70ish, i keep it moisturized 2x daily.
5. Water - type - for both misting and soaking dish- for both, i am VERY strict, i use spring or distilled water, never tap, even to rinse their dishes.
6. Materials used for substrate- my friend who is a reptile owner gave me a block of substrate that expands when you put water on it, i used half of that block, there is probably 2.5 inches so they can burrow. I made sure it was safe for them also.
7. Enclosure set up i.e. plants etc.- there used to be fake plants on both sides, but i took them out, they just helped crickets escape their fate. They both just have a water dish.
- How were things prepared prior to being put into the viv. (Does this mean their life before?) at their pet stores, albino was kept in a tiny reptile keeper with mossy stuff that i bought but i do not use because the dirt seems to suffice. They had little dixie cups for a soak. I think he upgraded coming here. As for the green baby, she had the same care as i give her, substrate, temp, and all.
8. Main food source- crickets. Every other feeding they have vitamins dusted onto them. Was thinking of trying hornworms soon.
9. Vitamins and calcium? (how often)- every other feeding, so every three ish days? Depends how long it takes them to eat. Typically i go to the pet store once a week and get 18 crickets, and put them in the enclosure twice a week.
10. Lighting- just natural, i've read they should have the same cycle as humans because they're up during the night.
11. What is being used to maintain the temperature of the enclosure- i dont use heaters, at their pet shops they had below 80 degree temps and i keep my room hot (everyone hates me for it in the house) so like i said it's a steady 75 year round. They also spend most of their time under the dirt unless they are eating. They don't soak a lot. Sometimes green baby poops in her water.
12. When is the last time he/she ate- green has no problem eating whenever. Albino seems very shy, he makes noise while hunting at night sometimes, but he definitely takes longer to eat than her. A few days. so maybe today or yesterday.
13. Have you found poop lately- definitely, i have to clean up after them more than my dogs
14. A pic would be helpful including frog and enclosure (any including cell phone pic is fine)
15. How old is the frog- i'd say albino is maybe six months? I got him in march/april as a baby. Green is a bit younger but i think it's a she because she isngrowing far more rapidly.
16. How long have you owned him/her- 5-6 mo
17. Is the frog wild caught or captive bred- both captive bred
18. Frog food- how often and if it is diverse, what other feeders are used as treats- i have been keeping them on large crickets for quite some time because they are both small still, like i said i wanted to diversify it with worms soon because i think they are still small for pinkie mice yet.
19. How often the frog is handled- hardly ever. And when they are, they dont hesitate to pee on me.
20. Is the enclosure kept in a high or low traffic area- low it's on my desk in my room, nothing goes on in there. I sleep. That's about it
21. Describe enclosure maintenance (water changes, cleaning, etc)- i clean up their poop and fluff up the soil regularly, i haven't changed it, wasn't sure if that was necessary. Dishes are rinsed and refilled every other day.

Other comments- the green baby who i definitely think is a girl has a much easier time, she practically eats out of my hand before i can drop the crickets in. Albino is much more shy, like i said i think he eats at night, and less often than she does. Recently he has been spending his time completely under the dirt, which also concerns me because he usually is only halfway under. When food is present and noticed the green frog will come up for a long time until she thinks shes done eating, then she always buries herself deep. This does not concern me because shes done that since the beginning. Unless shes eating, she is very antisocial. It's unusual for the albino to be acting this way, though. Especially since nothing in their enclosure has changed, everything has been completely consistent since day one.
hopefully you guys can help me figure this out. Thanks very much for your responses.


by Lynn(Flybyferns) and GrifTheGreat.

[Lija]

1,2. - you didn't specify if both sided are water proof or not, but if you want to keep them in a tank with a divider both sides have to be waterproof, meaning absolutely nothing can get from one side to another, not just food or frogs, but liquids as well.
3. Humidity- you need to get hydrometer, it is important to know exact readings, as anything more then 80 or less then 70 might cause big problems
4. Temperature- DV covered this one- you gotta fix it asap! and i agree with DV- that might be a reason.
5. Water - type - for both misting and soaking dish-use only spring or dechlorinated tap water, distilled for misting only
6. Materials used for substrate- my friend who is a reptile owner gave me a block of substrate that expands when you put water on it, i used half of that block, there is probably 2.5 inches so they can burrow. I made sure it was safe for them also.
what kind of substrate? there are a few expandable substrates out there and only one that you can safely use for frogs, usually reptile owners don't use that one myself i use eco earth only for my BRB
7. Enclosure set up i.e. plants etc.- there used to be fake plants on both sides, but i took them out, they just helped crickets escape their fate. They both just have a water dish.
you need to have something that a frog might use as a hide( plants/rocks/similar)
- How were things prepared prior to being put into the viv. (Does this mean their life before?) at their pet stores, albino was kept in a tiny reptile keeper with mossy stuff that i bought but i do not use because the dirt seems to suffice. They had little dixie cups for a soak. I think he upgraded coming here. As for the green baby, she had the same care as i give her, substrate, temp, and all.
8. Main food source- crickets. Every other feeding they have vitamins dusted onto them. Was thinking of trying hornworms soon.
change that! crickets are ok, but def not the most nutritious food out there, as a staple use dubia and nightcrawlers with treats like hornworms/pac food and no more then once a month pinkies( hoppers, etc)
9. Vitamins and calcium? (how often)- every other feeding, so every three ish days? Depends how long it takes them to eat. Typically i go to the pet store once a week and get 18 crickets, and put them in the enclosure twice a week.
that doesn't sound right, first of all - what kind of supplements are you using? and you sure need to feed more often, babies - every day. and if you feed crickets you have to keep them for a few days and gut load before feeding them off.
10. Lighting- just natural, i've read they should have the same cycle as humans because they're up during the night.
11. What is being used to maintain the temperature of the enclosure- i dont use heaters, at their pet shops they had below 80 degree temps and i keep my room hot (everyone hates me for it in the house) so like i said it's a steady 75 year round. They also spend most of their time under the dirt unless they are eating. They don't soak a lot. Sometimes green baby poops in her water.
as noted above- temps are too low, you need to heat the enclosure
12. When is the last time he/she ate- green has no problem eating whenever. Albino seems very shy, he makes noise while hunting at night sometimes, but he definitely takes longer to eat than her. A few days. so maybe today or yesterday.
13. Have you found poop lately- definitely, i have to clean up after them more than my dogs
lol
14. A pic would be helpful including frog and enclosure (any including cell phone pic is fine)
15. How old is the frog- i'd say albino is maybe six months? I got him in march/april as a baby. Green is a bit younger but i think it's a she because she isngrowing far more rapidly.
16. How long have you owned him/her- 5-6 mo
17. Is the frog wild caught or captive bred- both captive bred
18. Frog food- how often and if it is diverse, what other feeders are used as treats- i have been keeping them on large crickets for quite some time because they are both small still, like i said i wanted to diversify it with worms soon because i think they are still small for pinkie mice yet.
19. How often the frog is handled- hardly ever. And when they are, they dont hesitate to pee on me.
20. Is the enclosure kept in a high or low traffic area- low it's on my desk in my room, nothing goes on in there. I sleep. That's about it
21. Describe enclosure maintenance (water changes, cleaning, etc)- i clean up their poop and fluff up the soil regularly, i haven't changed it, wasn't sure if that was necessary. Dishes are rinsed and refilled every other day.
that is bad! especially if the divider is not sealed. you HAVE to completely change the substrate once a month! that will def contributed to the problem as well. as for albino being antisocial- lol frogs are not social creatures not in our sense

[Mentat]

You have received good advice and have lots of things to correct on your frogs enclosure. Need to separate those 2 unless you make that divider waterproof as Lija mentioned.

A 5-6 month old Pacman should be almost adult sized, if not. From your description as babies, yours are far from that and it's not good. Please get some night crawlers (Walmart's sport section) and add them to your frogs diet and do read this article as soon as you can: Frog Forum - Pacman and Horned Frogs - Ceratophrys - Care and Breeding . Good luck !