WOW...Something is weird.

[GrifTheGreat]

The vitamins in no way can replicate diverse insect nutrition, imo.

True, but that is not the reason for the frog to act this way. It is most likely environmental or neurological. Spasms and paralysis are associated with toxig out as well as frantic behavior.

[nirotorin]

Could it be he just did this one odd thing, and he's not toxing out? The rest of his behavior doesn't seem that unusual.

[SCF]

Could it be he just did this one odd thing, and he's not toxing out? The rest of his behavior doesn't seem that unusual.

It should not be "squinting it's eyes." I've only seen adults do this when trying to aestivate. Another thing to consider is in many animals, too much heat can and will cause neurological problems. How are you reading the temps? For me, I've stopped using UTH's (during the summer) because it makes the enclosures too hot.

Edit; How it's behaving is not normal.

[NialR35]

It should not be "squinting it's eyes." I've only seen adults do this when trying to aestivate. Another thing to consider is in many animals, too much heat can and will cause neurological problems. How are you reading the temps? For me, I've stopped using UTH's (during the summer) because it makes the enclosures too hot.

Edit; How it's behaving is not normal.

I'm using a digital exo terra thermo/hygro meter. Sometimes temps do seem to spike up to 84F during the day but drop to 82.5F ish .At night they never seem to drop below 77F. My digital meter has a memory function that allows me to reset it every day/night to measure the highest and lowest temps during that day's readings.

About the eyes squinting, he only did it with one of his eyes while he was sitting there. Another thing I just remembered was that after I poked him when I found him in that position, he started doing this "yawning" movements, opening and closing his mouth. Kinda like when they eat some eco earth.

[SCF]

That would be it attempting to or shedding.

[SCF]

I'm using a digital exo terra thermo/hygro meter. Sometimes temps do seem to spike up to 84F during the day but drop to 82.5F ish .At night they never seem to drop below 77F. My digital meter has a memory function that allows me to reset it every day/night to measure the highest and lowest temps during that day's readings.

About the eyes squinting, he only did it with one of his eyes while he was sitting there. Another thing I just remembered was that after I poked him when I found him in that position, he started doing this "yawning" movements, opening and closing his mouth. Kinda like when they eat some eco earth.

sounds like you are right on there.

[NialR35]

Now he has been under the tree log which is a place he barely goes to....I'm scared to look ....I will wait until feeding time and hope he eats back like a champ. Man this sucks....it's crazy how fast you get attached to these babies....

[GrifTheGreat]

Now he has been under the tree log which is a place he barely goes to....I'm scared to look ....I will wait until feeding time and hope he eats back like a champ. Man this sucks....it's crazy how fast you get attached to these babies....

Don't panic. When they're stressed they hide. Sometimes they just decide to use the hides you provide for them.

[GrifTheGreat]

Ah so you completely cover all feeders on supplement day?

This may very well be the problem. Vitamin toxicity is a form of toxing out. You only need a light coating of the supplement or coat only one end of each piece.

To much calcium though can cause edema and intestinal damage. To much multivitamin will attack the Liver an Kidneys. I believe we may have found the problem. Maybe.

[NialR35]

Ah so you completely cover all feeders on supplement day?

This may very well be the problem. Vitamin toxicity is a form of toxing out. You only need a light coating of the supplement or coat only one end of each piece.

To much calcium though can cause edema and intestinal damage. To much multivitamin will attack the Liver an Kidneys. I believe we may have found the problem. Maybe.

Yea I figured I was dusting too much on dusting days which could result in something similar as overdoing it. So either I should lightly coat each piece OR just one end? I hope this is the problem and I noticed how on dusting days, as soon as they tried to go for the piece of worm and got that powder in their mouths, it really turned them off.

So that's how you dust Grif?

[SCF]

Ah so you completely cover all feeders on supplement day?

This may very well be the problem. Vitamin toxicity is a form of toxing out. You only need a light coating of the supplement or coat only one end of each piece.

To much calcium though can cause edema and intestinal damage. To much multivitamin will attack the Liver an Kidneys. I believe we may have found the problem. Maybe.

I think Grif hit it right here...

[GrifTheGreat]

Could it be he just did this one odd thing, and he's not toxing out? The rest of his behavior doesn't seem that unusual.

Possible, but unlikely.

[SCF]

Even if any of the other suggestions are not the reasons for your problems, they should be at least looked at. I'm sure some of this info will help many other people regardless.

[GrifTheGreat]

I will also suggest changing his water multiple times per day. Small bodies of water can easily breed bacteria and carry high levels of ammonia from the frog's urine. I changed my Pyxi's water at least 3 times a day.

[NialR35]

I will also suggest changing his water multiple times per day. Small bodies of water can easily breed bacteria and carry high levels of ammonia from the frog's urine. I changed my Pyxi's water at least 3 times a day.

Do you still change it this often now that he is bigger?

[GrifTheGreat]

Do you still change it this often now that he is bigger?

Not unless he soils the water. Normaly i change it once per day now.