WOW...Something is weird.

[NialR35]

18. Frog food- how often and if it is diverse, what other feeders are used as treats? So far I have only fed Canadian night crawlers.

I believe the reason is this here.

You really think so? How could that cause it the weird position I found him in? Well I can get waxworms, hornworms, crickets and some florida keys broad head roach or something like that. I guess I could buy a pack of waxworms and use them as treats....but how often do you feed treats? Once per day along with the nightcrawlers?

I always try to keep humidity at 80% but what is a good range? I think 60-80% is good right?

I just noticed him sitting there with his eyes kinda closed, like if he was squinting but when I get closer to take a look he opens them wide. Is this him/her trying to sleep or there is something wrong?

[SCF]

I really do think so. It's not getting enough of diverse nutrition that is vital to it's health. For example, I've had my newest baby a week longer than you, I've fed it earthworms, dubia, a pinky, morio worms, crickets, hornworms, and a few silks.

You do not need to keep at it 80% humidity, lower is ok as well.

[SCF]

The vitamins in no way can replicate diverse insect nutrition, imo.

[GrifTheGreat]

The vitamins in no way can replicate diverse insect nutrition, imo.

True, but that is not the reason for the frog to act this way. It is most likely environmental or neurological. Spasms and paralysis are associated with toxig out as well as frantic behavior.

[nirotorin]

Could it be he just did this one odd thing, and he's not toxing out? The rest of his behavior doesn't seem that unusual.

[SCF]

Could it be he just did this one odd thing, and he's not toxing out? The rest of his behavior doesn't seem that unusual.

It should not be "squinting it's eyes." I've only seen adults do this when trying to aestivate. Another thing to consider is in many animals, too much heat can and will cause neurological problems. How are you reading the temps? For me, I've stopped using UTH's (during the summer) because it makes the enclosures too hot.

Edit; How it's behaving is not normal.

[NialR35]

It should not be "squinting it's eyes." I've only seen adults do this when trying to aestivate. Another thing to consider is in many animals, too much heat can and will cause neurological problems. How are you reading the temps? For me, I've stopped using UTH's (during the summer) because it makes the enclosures too hot.

Edit; How it's behaving is not normal.

I'm using a digital exo terra thermo/hygro meter. Sometimes temps do seem to spike up to 84F during the day but drop to 82.5F ish .At night they never seem to drop below 77F. My digital meter has a memory function that allows me to reset it every day/night to measure the highest and lowest temps during that day's readings.

About the eyes squinting, he only did it with one of his eyes while he was sitting there. Another thing I just remembered was that after I poked him when I found him in that position, he started doing this "yawning" movements, opening and closing his mouth. Kinda like when they eat some eco earth.

[GrifTheGreat]

Ah so you completely cover all feeders on supplement day?

This may very well be the problem. Vitamin toxicity is a form of toxing out. You only need a light coating of the supplement or coat only one end of each piece.

To much calcium though can cause edema and intestinal damage. To much multivitamin will attack the Liver an Kidneys. I believe we may have found the problem. Maybe.

[NialR35]

Ah so you completely cover all feeders on supplement day?

This may very well be the problem. Vitamin toxicity is a form of toxing out. You only need a light coating of the supplement or coat only one end of each piece.

To much calcium though can cause edema and intestinal damage. To much multivitamin will attack the Liver an Kidneys. I believe we may have found the problem. Maybe.

Yea I figured I was dusting too much on dusting days which could result in something similar as overdoing it. So either I should lightly coat each piece OR just one end? I hope this is the problem and I noticed how on dusting days, as soon as they tried to go for the piece of worm and got that powder in their mouths, it really turned them off.

So that's how you dust Grif?

[SCF]

Ah so you completely cover all feeders on supplement day?

This may very well be the problem. Vitamin toxicity is a form of toxing out. You only need a light coating of the supplement or coat only one end of each piece.

To much calcium though can cause edema and intestinal damage. To much multivitamin will attack the Liver an Kidneys. I believe we may have found the problem. Maybe.

I think Grif hit it right here...

[GrifTheGreat]

Could it be he just did this one odd thing, and he's not toxing out? The rest of his behavior doesn't seem that unusual.

Possible, but unlikely.

[SCF]

Even if any of the other suggestions are not the reasons for your problems, they should be at least looked at. I'm sure some of this info will help many other people regardless.

[GrifTheGreat]

Mine doesn't play dead, but they will lay motionless for long periods of time with arms and legs slayed while sleeping in their water.

[NialR35]

Dang...I just hope my baby is okay. He has been doing awesome all this time, I really don't know what could have caused this. I doubt it was changing the water bowl, I noticed the tank has this silicone inside that holds together the pieces of glass on every edge...I don't think the frog rubbing/touching this silicone when he buries could be causing this right?

[SCF]

Dang...I just hope my baby is okay. He has been doing awesome all this time, I really don't know what could have caused this. I doubt it was changing the water bowl, I noticed the tank has this silicone inside that holds together the pieces of glass on every edge...I don't think the frog rubbing/touching this silicone when he buries could be causing this right?

No, it's toxic free and animal safe.

[NialR35]

Could it be that I'm dusting too much? I dust 3x Ca and 1x Multi vit but on dusting days I completely cover almost every single piece of worm I feed. Could this be too much maybe?

I honestly was thinking of feeding variety, but as of now since my frogs are still babies and don't really eat much it would be pointless to buy earthworms, crickets, roaches, waxworms and hornworms all at once because they will probably end up drying before my frogs are able to eat them. I will buy a pack of waxworms today to offer them as treats but how often should i feed these treats then?

[Louis Charles Bruckner]

No the sealant shouldn't be a problem unless it is really new and still smells of vinegar. (acetic acid)
But I don't think that is your problem.

When I first got my Pepito I fed him mostly crickets and Dubia roach nymphs.
Then for a week or so nothing but Night crawlers and man his poo stunk to high heaven.
and his appetite dropped off a bit. Defiantly wasn't himself.
So I alternate crickets , roaches, and night crawlers. Only dusting the roaches and crickets with D3
and gut loading the roaches and crickets. Can't really gut load the worms.

Since then his poo is no where as stinky. and he is much more active.
But still haven't croaked yet.

I highly recommend starting a Dubia colony, very easy to start and keep.

[SCF]

No the sealant shouldn't be a problem unless it is really new and still smells of vinegar. (acetic acid)
But I don't think that is your problem.

When I first got my Pepito I fed him mostly crickets and Dubia roach nymphs.
Then for a week or so nothing but Night crawlers and man his poo stunk to high heaven.
and his appetite dropped off a bit. Defiantly wasn't himself.
So I alternate crickets , roaches, and night crawlers. Only dusting the roaches and crickets with D3
and gut loading the roaches and crickets. Can't really gut load the worms.

Since then his poo is no where as stinky. and he is much more active.
But still haven't croaked yet.

I highly recommend starting a Dubia colony, very easy to start and keep.

Unfortunately he lives in Florida.