WOW...Something is weird.

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One thing we have never discussed here (that I know of) and does not exactly pertain to this issue is playing dead. The very first time I saw a pyxie play dead, my girlfriend and I freaked. It's arms were extended out, but this was in the water dish. They do this often, and in a jokingly manner we just say "oh, so and so died." I've never observed this in the substrate though and this does not seem to be the case. It sounds like it is toxing out. That's why i'm asking some questions on water/setup etc. What have you primarily been feeding it as of last week? The jumping issue I do not think is a concern.

I'm agreeing with you Grif... Either of us cannot fully speculate from personal experience about feeding a pyxie 1 food item for 2 weeks though. I know you have not done this, so I do not think it can be fully ruled out. Even if it's not the cause for Nial's problems, it still should be changed.

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Dang...I just hope my baby is okay. He has been doing awesome all this time, I really don't know what could have caused this. I doubt it was changing the water bowl, I noticed the tank has this silicone inside that holds together the pieces of glass on every edge...I don't think the frog rubbing/touching this silicone when he buries could be causing this right?

No, it's toxic free and animal safe.

[NialR35]

Could it be that I'm dusting too much? I dust 3x Ca and 1x Multi vit but on dusting days I completely cover almost every single piece of worm I feed. Could this be too much maybe?

I honestly was thinking of feeding variety, but as of now since my frogs are still babies and don't really eat much it would be pointless to buy earthworms, crickets, roaches, waxworms and hornworms all at once because they will probably end up drying before my frogs are able to eat them. I will buy a pack of waxworms today to offer them as treats but how often should i feed these treats then?

[GrifTheGreat]

I'm agreeing with you Grif... Either of us cannot fully speculate from personal experience about feeding a pyxie 1 food item for 2 weeks though. I know you have not done this, so I do not think it can be fully ruled out. Even if it's not the cause for Nial's problems, it still should be changed.

I've given him Night Crawlers more than 2 weeks in a row as a baby. That is his main food source.

Lack of nutrition can also cause nurological disorders, but this is odd behavior and sounds like some kind of poisoning.

Edit; internal Bacterial Infections can also cause similar symptoms.

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Could it be that I'm dusting too much? I dust 3x Ca and 1x Multi vit but on dusting days I completely cover almost every single piece of worm I feed. Could this be too much maybe?

I honestly was thinking of feeding variety, but as of now since my frogs are still babies and don't really eat much it would be pointless to buy earthworms, crickets, roaches, waxworms and hornworms all at once because they will probably end up drying before my frogs are able to eat them. I will buy a pack of waxworms today to offer them as treats but how often should i feed these treats then?

I personally do not dust as much as everyone recommends. I feel diversity is the key, and have had no problems with my animals. I do agree with Grif though and like I said before it sounds like it's toxing out.

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Okay, so as of now what do you guys recommend? I will feed him tonight as of normal and keep you guys updated. I hope maybe it was him falling asleep into that position or something and nothing worse.

And if he is toxing out what could it be then? I mean I have been doing the same thing since I got him and my other baby is doing great. I have not made any changes as far as my routine and the ONLY thing I can think of is him sitting in the dirty water for too long even though I changed his water last night.........Grif Remember that post from Justin talking about that cornuta being weak and poisoned from sitting in his water for too long? Oh my God..... I hope this did not happen to me yet it's one of the reasons I picked a bigger bowl that has more water all around and less chances of this happening. I'm worried, I really life my pyxie a lot and I hope this was just something easily fixed.

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I've given him Night Crawlers more than 2 weeks in a row as a baby. That is his main food source.

Lack of nutrition can also cause nurological disorders, but this is odd behavior and sounds like some kind of poisoning.

Edit; internal Bacterial Infections can also cause similar symptoms.

It's eyes being half shut as a baby would suggest nuro symptoms. In humans the occipital lobe of the brain controls eye functions. I do not know if this pertains to frogs.

[NialR35]

It's eyes being half shut as a baby would suggest nuro symptoms. In humans the occipital lobe of the brain controls eye functions. I do not know if this pertains to frogs.

Any chance he was actually sleeping? I know they usually dilate their pupils when asleep but I have heard that sometimes they can also shut their eyes.

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Could it be he just did this one odd thing, and he's not toxing out? The rest of his behavior doesn't seem that unusual.

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Could it be he just did this one odd thing, and he's not toxing out? The rest of his behavior doesn't seem that unusual.

It should not be "squinting it's eyes." I've only seen adults do this when trying to aestivate. Another thing to consider is in many animals, too much heat can and will cause neurological problems. How are you reading the temps? For me, I've stopped using UTH's (during the summer) because it makes the enclosures too hot.

Edit; How it's behaving is not normal.

[GrifTheGreat]

Ah so you completely cover all feeders on supplement day?

This may very well be the problem. Vitamin toxicity is a form of toxing out. You only need a light coating of the supplement or coat only one end of each piece.

To much calcium though can cause edema and intestinal damage. To much multivitamin will attack the Liver an Kidneys. I believe we may have found the problem. Maybe.

[GrifTheGreat]

Could it be he just did this one odd thing, and he's not toxing out? The rest of his behavior doesn't seem that unusual.

Possible, but unlikely.

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Even if any of the other suggestions are not the reasons for your problems, they should be at least looked at. I'm sure some of this info will help many other people regardless.

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It should not be "squinting it's eyes." I've only seen adults do this when trying to aestivate. Another thing to consider is in many animals, too much heat can and will cause neurological problems. How are you reading the temps? For me, I've stopped using UTH's (during the summer) because it makes the enclosures too hot.

Edit; How it's behaving is not normal.

I'm using a digital exo terra thermo/hygro meter. Sometimes temps do seem to spike up to 84F during the day but drop to 82.5F ish .At night they never seem to drop below 77F. My digital meter has a memory function that allows me to reset it every day/night to measure the highest and lowest temps during that day's readings.

About the eyes squinting, he only did it with one of his eyes while he was sitting there. Another thing I just remembered was that after I poked him when I found him in that position, he started doing this "yawning" movements, opening and closing his mouth. Kinda like when they eat some eco earth.

[NialR35]

Ah so you completely cover all feeders on supplement day?

This may very well be the problem. Vitamin toxicity is a form of toxing out. You only need a light coating of the supplement or coat only one end of each piece.

To much calcium though can cause edema and intestinal damage. To much multivitamin will attack the Liver an Kidneys. I believe we may have found the problem. Maybe.

Yea I figured I was dusting too much on dusting days which could result in something similar as overdoing it. So either I should lightly coat each piece OR just one end? I hope this is the problem and I noticed how on dusting days, as soon as they tried to go for the piece of worm and got that powder in their mouths, it really turned them off.

So that's how you dust Grif?

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That would be it attempting to or shedding.

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I'm using a digital exo terra thermo/hygro meter. Sometimes temps do seem to spike up to 84F during the day but drop to 82.5F ish .At night they never seem to drop below 77F. My digital meter has a memory function that allows me to reset it every day/night to measure the highest and lowest temps during that day's readings.

About the eyes squinting, he only did it with one of his eyes while he was sitting there. Another thing I just remembered was that after I poked him when I found him in that position, he started doing this "yawning" movements, opening and closing his mouth. Kinda like when they eat some eco earth.

sounds like you are right on there.

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Ah so you completely cover all feeders on supplement day?

This may very well be the problem. Vitamin toxicity is a form of toxing out. You only need a light coating of the supplement or coat only one end of each piece.

To much calcium though can cause edema and intestinal damage. To much multivitamin will attack the Liver an Kidneys. I believe we may have found the problem. Maybe.

I think Grif hit it right here...

[NialR35]

Now he has been under the tree log which is a place he barely goes to....I'm scared to look ....I will wait until feeding time and hope he eats back like a champ. Man this sucks....it's crazy how fast you get attached to these babies....

[GrifTheGreat]

I will also suggest changing his water multiple times per day. Small bodies of water can easily breed bacteria and carry high levels of ammonia from the frog's urine. I changed my Pyxi's water at least 3 times a day.