Baby pacman looks lopsided, need help asap. very worried..

[WideEyed]

so my baby pacman hasnt eaten in a couple days and i figured it might be impacted a little so i put him in luke warm dechlorinated water when all of a sudden i look and notice one of his arms are sticking out to the side and seemed stiff.he jumped a few times and one time landed on his back.he seems alert and i seen him move his 'stiff' arm to wipe its face/ rub its head or whatever,but then it goes back into the same position.it looks like he possibly might have injured his arm somehow, though i really dont understand how he couldve. i googled what could possibly be wrong and on a thread of someone who Seemed to have the same problem people were responding saying he could be severely impacted.is this true? im attaching a few images. i'll be checking this thread periodically throughout the day, i appreciate all replies.thank you..

[NialR35]

Fill out the trouble in the enclosure questions please.

How long have you had him and have you been dusting?

[WideEyed]

i've had him for about 3 weeks, and i dusted the last time he ate which was about 3-4 days ago now maybe?


1. Size of enclosure in a small critter keeper inside of a 20 gallon
2. # of inhabitants - specifically other frogs and size differences theres 1 other pacman in the 20 gallon, but in his own critter keeper on the opposite side of the tank and **** so they cant see eachother
3. Humidity 80%
4. Temperature 76.0 degrees
5. Water - type - for both misting and soaking dish only spring water/tap water dechlorinated
6. Materials used for substrate cocofiber
7. Enclosure set up i.e. plants (live or artificial), wood, bark and other materials. really simple set up, just an adequate amount of cocofiber and a small water dish if he decides to soak
- How were things prepared prior to being put into the viv.
8. Main food source crickets
9. Vitamins and calcium? (how often) calcium with d3 once a week
10. Lighting- i leave my ceiling fan light on for him 12 hours a day
11. What is being used to maintain the temperature of the enclosure - nothing as of now because of the warmer weather , but i have a UTH that i keep on the side of the tank just incase it gets too cool
12. When is the last time he/she ate - about 4 days ago or so
13. Have you found poop lately - there was a little poop on his substrate about a week ago
14. A pic would be helpful including frog and enclosure (any including cell phone pic is fine)
15. How old is the frog- not sure Exactly but hes just a baby, about the size of a nickel or so, maybe a little larger
16. How long have you owned him/her - 3 weeks
17. Is the frog wild caught or captive bred- not sure, got it from petsmart
18. Frog food- how often and if it is diverse, what other feeders are used as treats- he has eaten a wax worm a couple times before as a treat
19. How often the frog is handled-never unless he needs to be soaked or the enclosure needs to be cleaned
20. Is the enclosure kept in a high or low traffic area - low traffic area, im the only one that ever goes in there
21. Describe enclosure maintenance (water changes, cleaning, etc) i change the water every day and i replace the substate once a month and ring out the moisture if the substrate gets TOO wet.

[DVirginiana]

Well 76 is a little bit low temp-wise for daytime, but shouldn't be causing any problems really... (usually 80-82 daytime and 75-80 nighttime is good for babies)

Normally, balance issues and malformed legs are due to MBD, but that's caused by not dusting food with supplements, which you seem to be doing... If the leg was injured enough that it was sticking out like that, I wouldn't expect him to be able to move it around to wipe at his face. Also, there'd probably be some swelling if that was the case.

It seems like something is just wrong with those front legs. Being so young, this is the time a lot of congenital defects would start making themselves known. Even the leg that isn't sticking out looks too skinny...
Sorry I can't give any advice other than if there's any fake logs/plants/ect. in his tank take those out for now at least. He might not like it, but those front limbs look really fragile, and I'd be worried about even him just slipping of a cage decoration and breaking something...

Hopefully someone else knows more about this.

[danfrog]

Enclosure is way to big for that little guy, he needs a smaller one with three sides covered. Also you need to buy some vitamin dust dust the crickets once a week with the vitamins. Not on the same day as calcium. Skip a day between vitamin dust days and calcium dust days. Calcium should be given at least twice a week.

[WideEyed]

@ Dvirginiana the only thing in his critter keeper is a water dish , do you think from him climbing in/ out he couldve broken his arm???

@danfrog i understand a 20 gallon tank alone would be Way too big for him, but he's in a small critter keeper within the 20 gallon.. i just have him in there for humidity purposes. ..and yes there is moss in the 20 gallon, but there is no moss in the individual critter keeper where he is. as for vitamin dust, are there any specific products youd reccomend?

[danfrog]

My appologies. I thought you had the little guy in the twenty gallon and another frog in the critter keeper.

[danfrog]

I use herptivite here is a pic

[danfrog]

[DVirginiana]

@ Dvirginiana the only thing in his critter keeper is a water dish , do you think from him climbing in/ out he couldve broken his arm???

I don't believe that leg is injured, I think you're looking at a congenital defect. If you look around this forum at other pictures of baby frogs, both the front legs on yours look thinner than normal. Frogs don't drink though, they use the water for soaking. You may want to consider getting a shallow dish that he can just step into just to be on the safe side.

I think having a good supplementation schedule for this frog is going to be very important. Over time those legs might get some more strength to them.

[danfrog]

I use the Monday Wednesday Friday schedule. Mon and wed I use calcium/d3. Friday for vitamins. I try my best to keep to this schedule. Its all up to my frog though. Main thing to remember is to skip a day in between vitamin days and calcium days. Vitamins and worms don't mix so I use crickets for fridays.

[Lija]

you've been given an excellent advise already, i will summarize:
- temps - you gotta adjust it ( for both frogs)
- cover 3 sided of that small critter keeper, you should do the same for the other one as well
- adjust your dusting schedule, once a week like you do is not enough. dust ca/vit 3 every second feeding, use separate multivitamin powder once a week.

it won't solve your problem but it will sure help and doing so you will avoid problems for the other frog.
now, if it is congenital defect ( very much possible) they there's no much you can do, Ca/vit D3 and multivitamins will help as much as it can be helped. i would like to ask a few questions though
you said you have him for a 3 weeks - how many times he ate, how much per feeding, what size of crickets, poop - how many times, how did it look like? have you noticed anything out of normal during that time other then you mentioned here ( stop eating 4 days ago, small poop a week ago), was he active, hopping no problem after crickets? do you remember how he was kept in a store? does he has any hard lumps on any of the sides?