Giant Waxie Monkey Tree Frog Identification

[earthtiger]

yours is a beautiful female giant waxy monkey frog, Ph. bicolor.

Curious, what makes you think that it is a female.

[Lija]

Curious, what makes you think that it is a female.

males are smaller, they call, during breeding season develop nuptial pads and most importantly their head shape is different from females.
to illustrate i use sauvagii, same principle apply:

nuptial pads


head shape - note the line going down from nose to the chin, males have more developed chin, while females have less developed one and the line goes straight down

male:


female


see the difference? exactly same applies to bicolors

[earthtiger]

Hi Lija,

males are smaller,

Yes I know, but on the posted photos, there is no frog to compare with ore anything with known size to compare with and to tell, how big the specimen is in fact!

they call

Yes, but not a very useful feature if you want to sex a frog from a photo!

, during breeding season develop nuptial pads

Yes, but we don’t know if the frog on the photo is in breeding mood and on the posted photos I can’t see the thumbs to see, if there are nuptial pads or not – can you?

and most importantly their head shape is different from females.

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see the difference? exactly same applies to bicolors

hmmm... that is IMHO a very tentative sign. In some species it does apply very well (e.g. with my Agalychnis annae, it is very obvious), but in others not and there seems to be always exceptions. With Phyllomedusa bicolor I don’t have the experiences with. I have checked some photos of pairs in amplexus and for me it is hard to tell the differences.


Also with Phyllomedusa sauvagii, in some specimens it seems to be very obvious, in others IMO not.

Let’s test it:
What gender do you think does this specimen have?






...and since it is more likely to get a Phyllomedusa bicolor male than a female in the pet trade (much more males than females are imported, because they are easier to collect) I have my doubts resp. I would be more cautious to say, that the specimen above is a female.

Kind regards,
Martin

[poison]

Male ^^^

Here is a 100% male to compareI personally heard him call http://i1261.photobucket.com/albums/...psa0ac1615.jpg

http://i1261.photobucket.com/albums/...ps40f6e152.jpg

[earthtiger]

Male ^^^

What do you mean with that? - That isn't clear for me!
That the first one in this thread is a male? That the P. sauvagii on my photo is a male? Or is it the headline for your male?

Here is a 100% male to compareI personally heard him call http://i1261.photobucket.com/albums/...psa0ac1615.jpg

http://i1261.photobucket.com/albums/...ps40f6e152.jpg

so, what clear/obvious differences do you see, when you compare it with the first one in this thread. Could you please list it - thanks!

[poison]

What do you mean with that? - That isn't clear for me!
That the first one in this thread is a male? That the P. sauvagii on my photo is a male? Or is it the headline for your male?

I have no clue how to sex these I just like to take guesses I'm good at it too lol. And yes I was talking about the pc you posted.

so, what clear/obvious differences do you see, when you compare it with the first one in this thread. Could you please list it - thanks!

Other then the puffed up throat I have no clue. I was just posting to help compare.

[Lija]

earthtiger, what is your problem? and what is it that you wanna test exactly?
if you have something to share you're welcome, otherwise I don't really see the point for me to respond to these posts of yours. i don't have to prove anything to you personally, we here are for helping others and communicate in a nice way, I don't like the tone of your messages towards me or poison, sorry but i call it as i see it. no offense intended.
yes some frogs are harder to sex especially for newbies, then additional questions are to be asked like if they call or what is their size, but OPs frog is a typical female because of her face shape, there are absolutely no questions about it. most waxies ( sauvagii or bicolors) are pretty easy to sex even when they're babies based on their profile line.

[Croakin]

I'm looking for 1 or 2 female Bicolors, if anyone has any suggestions please post or PM me. thanks.

[poison]

I'm looking for 1 or 2 female Bicolors, if anyone has any suggestions please post or PM me. thanks.

Hi, it is best to post an ad in the "Wanted" section.

[Happy Frog]

Lija --- in post No. 13 which of the two species are those frogs? Also, are those pictures of your own frogs? Can you post pictures of the enclosure(s) those frog live in?

[poison]

Lija --- in post No. 13 which of the two species are those frogs? Also, are those pictures of your own frogs? Can you post pictures of the enclosure(s) those frog live in?

Those are P. sauvagii's

[Lija]

Lija --- in post No. 13 which of the two species are those frogs? Also, are those pictures of your own frogs? Can you post pictures of the enclosure(s) those frog live in?

yes, these are my current owned frogs Ph sauvagii, unfortunately can't get my hands on more sorry i don't have pics of the whole enclosure, but it is basically a few plastic and silk plants handing from a walls, bunch of exo terra branches inside, felt carpet on a bottom, water bowl all that in 24x18x24 exo terra tank with background, 3 lamps on top, 5.0 UVB, basking spot 75W in a dome lamp with a dimmer, 75W night heat lamp in a dimmer as well.

Dj. Quik - that is awesome enclosure! i would add some more plants in the upper part and perhaps smaller diameter perch somewhere high up by these bigger ones. i found they love to sit on a branches by the plant, this way they are still basking as well as hiding.

[poison]

Male ^^^

Still wanna know if I was right lol.

[Dj Quik]

back to the topic... you said they need good ventilation, so is it a good idea if i use a screen for the front rather than glass?

[Lija]

back to the topic... you said they need good ventilation, so is it a good idea if i use a screen for the front rather than glass?

yes, screen is better.