young frog possibly in estevation

[Maverick]

im worried my pac is going into estivation and might die for no reason.

[Lija]

wait, what happened, can you describe what is happening exactly and answer "trouble in the enclosure" questions. aestivation for a young pac is very dangerous, it is dangerous for any age actually.

[Maverick]

well the main prob is that iv had this frog for about almost 3weeks and he never eats when i offer food when normal pacs do but he eats sometimes.I'm just worried about him letting crickets walk over him and being buried(i already know pacs like to be buried).

[flybyferns]

Hello Maverick,
There are several very experienced Pac owners/members here on FF who will be able to figure this out for you! It could be something as simple as the humidity level. If someone has not already helped you; if you could answer the questions below...... it will help solve the problem. Simply cut and paste the questions into a reply here. These questions are designed to 'open a can of worms'

“Trouble in the Frog Enclosure”
The following information will be very helpful if provided when requesting assistance with either your frog or enclosure. To help with your questions, please utilize the below list and post the information in the proper forum area to get advice from FF members that keep the same frog. This will allow for little confusion and a faster more informed response.

1. Size of enclosure
2. # of inhabitants - specifically other frogs and size differences
3. Humidity
4. Temperature
5. Water - type - for both misting and soaking dish
6. Materials used for substrate
7. Enclosure set up i.e. plants (live or artificial), wood, bark and other materials.
- How were things prepared prior to being put into the viv.
8. Main food source
9. Vitamins and calcium? (how often)
10. Lighting
11. What is being used to maintain the temperature of the enclosure
12. When is the last time he/she ate
13. Have you found poop lately
14. A pic would be helpful including frog and enclosure (any including cell phone pic is fine)
15. How old is the frog
16. How long have you owned him/her
17. Is the frog wild caught or captive bred
18. Frog food- how often and if it is diverse, what other feeders are used as treats
19. How often the frog is handled
20. Is the enclosure kept in a high or low traffic area
21. Describe enclosure maintenance (water changes, cleaning, etc)

by Lynn(Flybyferns) and GrifTheGreat.

[Heatheranne]

Waiting to hear answers so we may help...

[Maverick]

2. # of inhabitants - specifically other frogs and size differences-5
3. Humidity-around 80%
4. Temperature-around 70
5. Water - type - for both misting and soaking dishwater from-filtered water holder
6. Materials used for substrate-eco earth
7. Enclosure set up i.e. plants (live or artificial), wood, bark and other materials.-fake plant
- How were things prepared prior to being put into the viv.at the pet store?
8. Main food source-crickets
9. Vitamins and calcium? (how often)-1x week but ill do it 2x week
10. Lighting-flukers night light 25watt
11. What is being used to maintain the temperature of the enclosure-heat lamp
12. When is the last time he/she ate-probably yesterday
13. Have you found poop lately-not since I first got him about 3weeks ago
14. A pic would be helpful including frog and enclosure (any including cell phone pic is fine)-k
15. How old is the frog-2-3 months
16. How long have you owned him/her-3weeks
17. Is the frog wild caught or captive bred-I think captive
18. Frog food- how often and if it is diverse, what other feeders are used as treats-thinking about a stewart little
19. How often the frog is handled-sometimes
20. Is the enclosure kept in a high or low traffic area-what does that mean?
21. Describe enclosure maintenance (water changes, cleaning, etc)-will change water and other than that nothing to clean

[GRABibus]

my comment : 70F during the day ?
That's not enough. Between 77F and 84.2F during the day.
Maybe she goes down because temperature is too low and she slows down his activity, thinking it's winter !

[GrifTheGreat]

GRABibus is right. That is much too cool. You can get by with 78°, but 80° is ideal.

Also did I read that right? You have 5 animals in his enclosure???

[Maverick]

i was just kiding about 5 animals.And how can i bring temp 5degrees up?and its summer.

[DVirginiana]

i was just kiding about 5 animals.And how can i bring temp 5degrees up?and its summer.

You can buy a heat pad from a petstore and stick it to the side of his tank, or you could get a red heat bulb and put it over the tank (white bulbs can also work, but they increase the temp a lot more than red). If you get a bulb, watch the temp over a day or so to make sure it's not getting too hot.
Even if it's summer, the frog still needs those temperatures. You probably will have to buy more equipment during winter to keep the heat right though.

[GrifTheGreat]

i was just kiding about 5 animals.And how can i bring temp 5degrees up?and its summer.

I'm sorry, but when you need help with your frog jokes should be left aside. That makes me not feel you are serious about wanting help with your frog.

Place a Zoo Med mini UTH on the side of the frogs enclosure. It will help with temps.

[Lija]

read the answers to trouble questions and i am confused, were you joking through the whole thing or you were serious, would you please be more specific in your replies, what does temps/humidity around mean? do you have gauges? what kind? what are you using for heating?
temps too low as you were advised already
water - filtered is NOT OK, you need to treat it with water conditioner
other questions... you need to reconsider joking when you are asking to help, frog is trouble situation we are taking seriously, it is not a time to joke.
we also need pics of a frog and the enclosure.

[Maverick]

what about boiled filter water is that ok?And do u think this frog is healthy?

[GrifTheGreat]

what about boiled filter water is that ok?And do u think this frog is healthy?

We cannot see his overal appearence. Need to see its full body. Boiling does not remove all the chemicals or heavy metals and neither does filtering. You must treat the water with a water dechlorinator like Prime or ReptiSafe.

[DVirginiana]

No, boiled water is not okay. Boiling does not remove chloramines, which are toxic to frogs. Like Lija said, you need to use TREATED water, and you need to get (or get someone to pick it up for you) water conditioner from the petstore ASAP. You need to use treated water for their water dish, as well as misting. Also, when you get the conditioner, you need to remove ALL the bedding, and moisten all new bedding with the treated water. 'Prime' is the brand I use, and it is in the fish section of petstores (most fish water conditioners will work though). You just add a few drops to a gallon of water at a time, let it sit for an hour or two, and it's ready to use.

Also; what type of thermometer and hygrometer are you using to measure the temps and humidity?

You can't really tell if a frog is healthy or not just by looking at the top of its head. But if you have had him this long and have not been using water conditioner, my guess is that he is suffering from the toxins in his system. This can be easily reversed, but you need to get the water conditioner for that to happen.

[Maverick]

i just got water conditioner today and a heat mat.