Chomper

[GRABibus]

agreed also.

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Btw it hurts (awe :*( ) to disagree with Carlos/Grifs, both VERY knowledgeable. If we ALL agreed on everything though, this forum wouldn't progress much.

[GrifTheGreat]

Btw it hurts (awe :*( ) to disagree with Carlos/Grifs, both VERY knowledgeable. If we ALL agreed on everything though, this forum wouldn't progress much.

Very true!

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Btw it hurts (awe :*( ) to disagree with Carlos/Grifs, both VERY knowledgeable. If we ALL agreed on everything though, this forum wouldn't progress much.

The current problem and confusion with the Pyxicephalus genus is that in the past couple years a few species of frogs (and a variant or future species) have been offered in the trade. And all these frogs were dumped into 2 types: a Giant or a Dwarf. Among those sold or kept as Giants are larger specimens of P. adspersus , P. angusticeps (previously known as the Mozambique variant), and ABFs from Tanzania which could later become a species too. On the other hand, if the frogs remain small, they are all dumped into the Dwarf species, P.edulis; even if they are not and just happen to be genetic runts or malnourished stunted frogs.

So the reality is many hobbyists across the world have big frogs that are not P. adspersus; but because of their large size, pass as such. That then creates a chain of events, when others look at their published pics and compare other frogs to them, leading to more confusion and misidentification. The key I use to classify African bullfrogs came from a table in the latest genus revision earlier this year. If members decide to adopt it or not; that is their choice; but the scientific community has.

If interested in a good reading on the complexities of this very small genus should grab a copy and read Vosjoli's book on the subject: Amazon.com: Giant African Bullfrogs: Life History and Captive Husbandry eBook: Robert Mailloux, Philippe de Vosjoli: Kindle Store .

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I've read it. I also remember someone else, I believe Daniel L. on this forum posting the revisions. I think us (as a whole on this particular forum) have acknowledged the revisions. I thought what we were debating here was cut and dry between P. Edulis and P. Adsperus. I'm not an expert or writing books about the species, but it clearly looks to be P. Adsperus. With that being said though, I will admit, the frog in question looks to be rather on the small side for a four month old.

Edit: I appreciate your post as well Carlos.

[GrifTheGreat]

Wreakage does this frog have blue coloring on the front and rear legs? If so it is a Pyxicephalus adspersus the Giant African Bullfrog if the frog does not then it is most likely a P. edulis the Dwarf African Bullfrog or one of the other species similar to the Edulis that we keep seeing passed off as a Giant.

[Wreckage]

OK so I took new photos withought the substrate all I over. Hope this clarifys things To awnser Grif the Greats question yes he does have a slight blue/gray butt and light blue on the front legs.

[GrifTheGreat]

OK so I took new photos withought the substrate all I over. Hope this clarifys things To awnser Grif the Greats question yes he does have a slight blue/gray butt and light blue on the front legs.

Then this frog is a Giant. There will also be blue in the joint of the knees.

[Wreckage]

If you don't mind me asking, what is the typical size of a 3 month old? I bought chomper at the end of Feb near the 25 th and he was less than the size of a quarter. I make sure he has everything he's supposed to.