Tadpole ID? D.C. Area U.S., pics

[Tadtholemew]

As you can hopefully see, he's a mottled sandy brown on top (his tail is partially transparent, also heavily spotted). Eyes are distinctive with lines through them. There is a white line near his nostrils and mouth on the outsides - but not through the middle between them. His underside is cream to white, some spotting, and mostly opaque. Perhaps a slight tinge of pink in places. He also has a uniquely up-turned body shape - the eyes carry quite high relative to the...er, chest?...He was found in a sandy/forest area with a small temporary creek that was about dried up (and he seemed to be developing slower than the other tadpoles I saw...), so I brought him home. There were quite a few other tadpoles in the same area.

He's pretty big - I'd say a good 2+ inches long. I initially thought he might be a bullfrog, but he seems to be getting a leg bud on one side, and the creek he was in doesn't stay wet enough for him to be the year or more that a bullfrog would need. I'm thinking maybe pig frog, Southern leopard, bronze frog, or maybe he is a bullfrog.

I've got him in a fishbowl for now, and I'm setting up a 20 gallon terrarium...but I think it would be a good idea to get an ID on him, so that I can be better prepared to care for him properly...Especially if he is a big bull frog and needs more space than that. Anyone recognize or think they have a guess at what he might be?

[Gnag the nameless]

I'm thinking it may be a bullfrog, or a Green/bronze frog. The spots on the back look identical to that of a bullfrog tadpole, and you're in luck, since today I went to check up on my nearby lake to see how many frogs/tadpoles were out, and of course, I saw lots of bullfrog tadpoles.

If it gets 3+ inches long, I'd then assume it's a bullfrog.

It does seem a bit dark for a bullfrog tadpole, meaning it could be a Green/Bronze frog, but I'm not sure. I've never seen a Pig frog or Southern Leopard frog before, though. Perhaps someone with more experience with all 4 of these species can confirm the identity of this frog for you.

Oh, and welcome to the Frog Forum!

[Tadtholemew]

Awesome, thanks! I'll update the thread as he grows. I've tried looking at some ID pictures, and he does look pretty similar to the others I listed...but it seems like they are pretty diverse, even within a given species. Hopefully if he is a bull frog, the 20 gallon tank is alright. It looks like they get pretty big!

[Gnag the nameless]

If it is a bullfrog, I can definitely help you out and I know an expert on them here, as well. I've kept my Gnag for 10 months, ever since she was a froglet, and I will tell you, these frogs make great pets. Here's a list of basic things you'll need if it is a bullfrog as well as a basic caresheet that I've written and based off of my experience with this species:

American bullfrog (Rana Catesbiana) Caresheet:

Species information:

Coloration: Can vary from Bright Green, Normal Green, Brown, and Olive.

Size: Froglets start out at 1-2 inches (snout to vent), but most adults grow to 5-6 inches. Larger specimens may reach sizes of 8 inches. Females are typically larger than males.

Sexing: Male bullfrogs will call at a young age. Males will also have yellow throats, instead of cream-colored like their bellies. Females will have cream colored throats. Another way to tell them apart is that the typanum or "ear" of a male will be larger than its eye, whilst on a females it will be the same size.

Age/Breeding: Most bullfrogs become ready to mate once they attain 3 inches of length. Bullfrog tadpoles may spend up to two years in the tadpole stage. Bullfrogs will live to around 4 to 5 years, though some have been recorded up to ages of 6-7.

Distribution: Bullfrogs are native to the Eastern USA, but have spread to Canada, Western Europe, Northern and Western USA, and Asia via the frog leg trade.

Habitat: Bullfrogs are found in permanent bodies of water, such as lakes, ponds, and marshes. They prefer slow-moving water, and are often found at the edge of the water.

Diet: Bullfrog tadpoles graze on algae, whilst young bullfrogs eat invertebrates. Adult bullfrogs eat smaller frogs, fish, tadpoles, finches, young turtles, small snakes, mice, small birds, crayfish, and a large variety of invertebrates Anything that moves and they can fit into their mouth, they will attempt to eat.

Required Equipment:

- 30 gallon for when the frog is growing up, 55-70-90-100-120 gallon tank for when it is an adult.
- Strong filter, I personally suggest either a Canister filter or Fluval U(1,2,3) Underwater series filter.
- Pond stones or a divider, make sure all stones are too big to be eaten, and if taken from outside, aren't sharp and are boiled for 5 minutes to remove any parasites/bacteria. Same goes for any wood or decorations from the outside. If you use the divider, use coconut fiber or additive/fertilizer free topsoil. Seal the land area from the water area using aquarium grade silicone sealant.
- An Aquarium background, preferably a forest one, that can cover the sides and back of the tank
- A strong lid. These guys can jump high.
- Plastic bin and lid with egg cartons for crickets, as well as carrots/lettuce/spinach/squash and oats/bread.
- Plastic tub/bucket with coconut fiber/topsoil for earthworms/dew worms.
- Fake/live plants. Be careful about choosing live plants. I strongly suggest duckweed. As for fake, fake water reeds and fake lily pads work great. Just place the cricket/earthworm on the lily pad in front of your frog.
- Driftwood works great for cover. Just wash it very thoroughly in dechlorinated/conditioned water first.
- Aquarium water conditioner. Can be found at most pet stores. That, or Reverse osmosis water. Never use distilled water, it lacks the minerals that frogs need.
- Reptile Calcium + Vitamin D3 powder, and Reptile Multi-Vitamin powder. These can be found at most pet stores that work with reptiles and/or amphibians.
- 3 spare 4-8 liter buckets to help with water changes.
- 2-3 4liter milk/water jugs to measure and condition tap water with.

Captive care:

Biotype: Bullfrogs tend to stay at the waters edge, so I suggest 1/3 land-water ratio, resembling the edge of a pond or swamp. Moss can be used, but make sure it is not near the feeding area, as if it is ingested it may cause impaction/prolapse.

Feeding: Feed crickets the same size as the space between the frogs mouth. Dust with a calcium mix every other day for growing frogs and a multivitamin once a week. Do not be lazy on the dusting! I was, and I'm still treating my Green frog (Rana Clamitans) for a double case of Giardia/Tetany. I strongly suggest you also feed him earthworms/nightcrawlers. They're easy to digest and so much more nutritious than crickets. I feed my 3.2 inch bullfrog 8 4week crickets and 1 earthworm every night. You can feed adult bullfrogs guppies or minnows as treats, as long as they come from a parasite-free source. I don't suggest mice, they're difficult to digest and are high in fat. I also would steer clear of mealworms/superworms. They're difficult to digest and are low in nutrients.

Water/filter: In the first few weeks of getting the new filter, do 25% water changes daily. As the bio-filter boots up, you can do 50% water changes every week. As for the level of water, I suggest 2-3 inches. Make sure there is somewhere the frog can sit and be relatively dry, or at least out of the water.

It may sound like a massive challenge, but it is not impossible and the results are very rewarding

[Psychotic]

I agree. He looks like a bullfrog tad to me.

[Tadtholemew]

Thank you both! I think you're right, and I'm just waiting to see how he turns out. Here's a picture from this morning:


Caspian, thank you for the care guide! I wish you'd posted it before I bought his tank. I bought the coconut substrate...but I didn't get the sealant (actually, I didn't even see any in the pet store...). My first terrarium attempt turned into a giant dirt mess all over the bathroom. I have all of the recovered substrate drying in the window, and I set up the rest of the tank, including some structures for him to climb onto. However, he's been acting a little odd since I set it up. He keeps jumping everywhere, like hyperactively. Yesterday, he jumped out when I was trying to get him into his new terrarium (...four feet onto the wood floor). I got him right back in the water and he was a little dazed for the next few hours...but after that, he's gone right back to excessive jumping everywhere - which was a relief at first, but now it's getting a little concerning. I thought that maybe with the amount of water and the filter, there might not be enough algae for him to eat...so last night I turned off the filter and gave him twice the number of recommended food pellets and a tiny piece of lettuce. He's been a little calmer since (and I turned the filter back on), but every ten minutes or so I'll hear a splash. I had a recurring series of nightmares in which he jumped out of the tank last night because he kept splashing (and the tank is by the bed).

I'm worried that he needs more air now (he has cute little legs now!)...but he doesn't seem to be using the climbing dock or rocks in the tank. Is this normal? Or do I just have a hyperactive tadpole? Is is the food, do you think? Or maybe something with the tank (he seems to be gravitating towards the corners, where they are glued together, so I'm a little worried he's, I don't know, eating the glue or something). I'm also worried that he will beach himself on the rock. Do you think that should be a concern?

Thanks for your replies! I hope I'm taking care of him okay. I felt really terrible after I let him jump out.

[UncleChester]

He's pretty big - I'd say a good 2+ inches long. I initially thought he might be a bullfrog, but he seems to be getting a leg bud on one side, and the creek he was in doesn't stay wet enough for him to be the year or more that a bullfrog would need.

I would think the size makes it not a bullfrog, and a green/bronze frog seems more likely? Check out this Guide to Tadpoles that gives typical sizes of tadpoles, and also has details on how to tell a few of the ranids apart by the shape of their mouths as some of them seem to be otherwise pretty much indistinguishable. There's also the USGS Patuxent Wildlife Research Center "Tadpoles of the United States and Canada: A Tutorial and Key" which has plenty of detail but is perhaps less user friendly.

You'll know soon enough in any case.

[Tadtholemew]

I would think the size makes it not a bullfrog, and a green/bronze frog seems more likely? Check out this Guide to Tadpoles that gives typical sizes of tadpoles, and also has details on how to tell a few of the ranids apart by the shape of their mouths as some of them seem to be otherwise pretty much indistinguishable. There's also the USGS Patuxent Wildlife Research Center "Tadpoles of the United States and Canada: A Tutorial and Key" which has plenty of detail but is perhaps less user friendly.

You'll know soon enough in any case.

Thanks! I'd seen both of those sources, and I do think there's a good shot that you're right as well, particularly given (a) the timeframe (I'm still skeptical of the idea that he could have been in that creek long enough to be getting his legs now) and (b) the dark spotting and cream belly. Over the last week or so, his spots have gotten much darker, more like the pics I've seen of bronze frog tadpoles than bullfrogs...although in terms of size, I think he's pretty well within bullfrog tadpole sizes. I kind of hope you're right, though, since they stay a good deal smaller...

[Gnag the nameless]

Sorry for not replying sooner. Been very busy, with Bumpy recovering from her giardia/tetany and raising little Nivose.

Brian has a big point. For 5 months, I originally thought my Green frog, Bumpy, was a bullfrog but I noticed a ridge going down her back, which sealed the thought that she was a Green frog, not a bullfrog.

If you want information on how to keep Green frogs, I can offer you a wide variety of experience from my own experience of keeping Bumpy.

I wouldn't be worried if he's a bullfrog or a green frog. They're both very fun to keep, and relatively easy.

Keep us posted!

[Tadtholemew]

Update: Legs!

Just a few pictures of Tad with his new legs growing in! He wasn't feeling super photogenic today (hiding in the corner...) but here he is!

[Gnag the nameless]

Nice!

I'm still not sure on what species he is, although judging by his size I wouldn't think he's a bullfrog. However, we'll only be certain once he turns into a froglet.

[Heatheranne]

Hi . I am thinking he may be a green frog. He is growing quicker than an American bullfrog does. He's awesome! I just found this thread. I'll be following along to see his progress .

[Gnag the nameless]

At every new photo my thoughts on what this little guy could be changes! But I agree with Ashley and Heather, it's either Bullfrog or Green frog now. Even so, I can't wait to see him as he grows up he already looks like he's got an interesting coloration happening!

[Tadtholemew]

Thank you all! Here's some update photos!

[Tadtholemew]

Updated photos!

So, after looking at Tad closely, I'm thinking that he must just be some kind of frog that was not in the tadpole packet. I think he might be a southern chorus frog (see pic: http://www.virginiaherpetologicalsoc...%20Frog%29.jpg)

What do you guys think? Anyone have experience with this kind of frog?

[UncleChester]

Updated photos!

So, after looking at Tad closely, I'm thinking that he must just be some kind of frog that was not in the tadpole packet. I think he might be a southern chorus frog (see pic: http://www.virginiaherpetologicalsoc...%20Frog%29.jpg)

What do you guys think? Anyone have experience with this kind of frog?

Your tadpole had dorsal eyes so it can't be a Southern Chorus Frog. It still looks like a Green frog or a Bullfrog to me. I can't tell for sure from your pictures if it has the dorsolateral ridges or not but they should be visible at this stage and actually even earlier. Attached is a photo of a Green Frog, Rana clamitans, ​note the ridges down the back/side (the colour and pattern can vary quite a bit within this species).

[Gnag the nameless]

I'm still betting on Green Frog or Bullfrog. Either way, he is very cute !

Brian's right, I second him on that it's not a Chorus frog. If your little guy was a Southern Chorus frog, though, I could give you some basic advice on how to care for a similar species, the Pacific Chorus frog. There's actually a caresheet for Pacific Chorus frogs (Pseudacris Regilla) on here! However, I doubt you'll need it.

Brian has definitely given you excellent advice and help on how to identify your little guy. Can't wait to see some more photos of him