I think my frog broke her leg...

[Bolisnide]

Hi, I'm trying to sort out this mystery for you as well....
I looked back on your previous posts in regards to Laputa, and all the ups and downs.
The things that stand out to me are the water and the calcium dusting (or lack of calcium dusting). You have never used treated water (as in treated with a water conditioner and de-chlorinator))? Is that correct?
If I read correctly, you didn't start dusting with calcium until a couple weeks ago? You were gut loading your crickets previously, but not dusting. And she's been lethargic lately, and now not eating that much since beginning to dust with cal. I do believe she could be suffering from MBD, what was the vets recomendation other than the UV light? Any calcium shots or drops, special brand of calcium for her feeders?
And you have never used multi-vit? Get a mult i vitamin for her, and dust once per week. Follow Lynn's advice on feeding above.
Why did your vet not prescribe something for the pin worms? Only baytril? I'm confused by that. I'm also confused about the sequence of events in which she was tested and did get a clean fecal, and then later a bad fecal? She should be on a de-wormer for sure.
I think it would be a super good idea, because of the pin worms, to simplify her enclosure.
Use several layers of plain paper towel as substrate (not the substrate carpet your using, as it harbors bacteria and pin worms!)
Clean with very hot water all of her enclosure, water dish, and only one plant - every day! so important.
Get her meds for the worms, ask your vet tomorrow (even if you don't have a fecal by tomorrow for him/her to test). Dust her feeders and feed as lynn described, if she won't eat on her own. Dust with panacur according to the vet instructions.
This is gonna be a long haul, I'm sorry to say. You're gonna have to be patient and consistent in her care.

[aegillesp]

Hopefully this will help!

Hi, I'm trying to sort out this mystery for you as well....
I looked back on your previous posts in regards to Laputa, and all the ups and downs.
The things that stand out to me are the water and the calcium dusting (or lack of calcium dusting). You have never used treated water (as in treated with a water conditioner and de-chlorinator))? Is that correct?
You are correct, I have never used a water conditioner, I don't use tap water. I live in Phoenix and the water here is pretty bad, it's hard water and it's full of calcium and other things and I didn't think it would do much good. I've always used the gallons of drinking water from the store.

If I read correctly, you didn't start dusting with calcium until a couple weeks ago? You were gut loading your crickets previously, but not dusting. And she's been lethargic lately, and now not eating that much since beginning to dust with cal. I do believe she could be suffering from MBD, what was the vets recomendation other than the UV light? Any calcium shots or drops, special brand of calcium for her feeders?

I have been dusting her crickets since I bought her in January. She never liked the taste of it and always spat them out, granted she ate them when I covered the wax worms in calcium powder. I've always used the water supplement for crickets that is with Calcium. My vet instructed me that if she will not take dusted crickets to gut load the crickets with calcium foods, like crush up tums and mix with the food, calcium quencher, etc. Which I have done. When she started to not eat the dusted crickets I began putting liquid calcium in her water bowl so she would get some calcium. I've pretty much put calcium everywhere I could. I did not drop the liquid calcium on the crickets though. As far as the UV light is concerned, I had it facing into the glass, not on top. Which I fixed and I got her a reptisun 5.0 bulb.

And you have never used multi-vit? Get a mult i vitamin for her, and dust once per week.

I have not used a multi-vitamin, I have them since I use it for my dragon, but I do have to get her to eat first.

Follow Lynn's advice on feeding above.
Why did your vet not prescribe something for the pin worms? Only baytril? I'm confused by that. I'm also confused about the sequence of events in which she was tested and did get a clean fecal, and then later a bad fecal? She should be on a de-wormer for sure.

her first fecal was filled with pin worms, the second, he said she was fine, but I didn't really see an improvement. When i thought she ate worms after the meds it turns out they just escaped and hit under the paper towels I had in there as a substrate. I'd like to get her back on the coconut fiber dirt like I had her on when i first got her. I got the carpet because I didn't want her to get hurt since she has been sick.

I think it would be a super good idea, because of the pin worms, to simplify her enclosure.
Use several layers of plain paper towel as substrate (not the substrate carpet your using, as it harbors bacteria and pin worms!)
Clean with very hot water all of her enclosure, water dish, and only one plant - every day! so important.
Get her meds for the worms, ask your vet tomorrow (even if you don't have a fecal by tomorrow for him/her to test). Dust her feeders and feed as lynn described, if she won't eat on her own. Dust with panacur according to the vet instructions.
This is gonna be a long haul, I'm sorry to say. You're gonna have to be patient and consistent in her care.

I am more than willing to do what it takes to get her better. I just need some help getting there. Which I have been getting, thanks to you and Lynn. Should I ask for the panacur when I go to the vet tomorrow? I'd like to know what to request and how much I should get as far as how long she should be on them when I go there, just in case.

[Bolisnide]

1. You can use a britta filter or bottled filtered water, and add the water conditioner/de-chlorinator. OR, you could by 100% spring water and use that.
2. It's my understanding that the UV us not enough, you may need to force feed her dusted crickets, or repti-boost dusted crickets. And yes, add a multi-vitamin. Repti-boost has everything she needs, so don't ever mix the powders. Repti-boost alone, calcium alone, and multi-vitamin alone- on separate days.
3. I think you need anew vet! Baytril will not treat pin worms, and they do not go away in 2 weeks, it generally takes at least 4 weeks. Ask your vet for Panacur C (it comes in liquad or powder).
4. If you're gonna use the carpet, make sure you wash it every day. I like paper towels, it was easier for me when I went through a similar ordeal. I just threw them away and replaced everyday, after cleaning the frogs enclosure.

[flybyferns]

Hi,
your question:
I know this may sound dumb, but Isn't drinking/purified water that I buy at the store, isn't that de-chlorinated?

sorry , it's not
use for instance : amphibian safe de-chlorinater such as :
Exo Terra Reptile Aquatize Water Conditioner 3.3oz on eBay!

I do not think she should be fed phoenix worms ----they are very difficult to digest!

please review: post # 4
>Use de-chlorinated water ONLY. ( in her water dish and the paper towels on the bottom of the hospital tank)
She needs to eat . She has gone a long time without food
I would consider force feeding her today -- squish a wingless, legless cricket and mix it with reptiboost.
Or
Soak the prepared cricket in reptiboost and get it in her mouth ---most of the way. She will swallow and do the rest.
Use damped paper towels to hold her. Use a paper business card to get her mouth open.
Set the cricket on the top of the card---then slide it in her mouth. Another set of hands is helpful.
If the cricket dies while doing this --it does not matter.>

I hope all goes well
Please keep us posted
Lynn

[aegillesp]

So, Successful feeding tonight. Oh boy did she fight me on this one. I managed to force feed her 2 reptiboost covered crickets, which she CONTINUOUSLY kept trying to spit it out, she'd push it out and I'd have to be right there and push it back in. She looked like she had a hard time swallowing the cricket, but she managed to eat 2. Should I feed her some calcium covered crickets tomorrow? I know that it is incredibly stressful for her to be force fed, but I will do it for as long as I need to. I'll keep you posted on the vet tomorrow, and let you know what he says. I'll pick up some water conditioner too.

[flybyferns]

Hi
I'm glad to hear you got food into her.
Let her digest this meal. Hopefully she poops for you.
Make arrangements to return ( another day ) with the fecal sample if you are not able to have with you for the visit today.
Keep the temps perfect which will help her digestion

She does not have to eat again today
However her calcium and vitamin needs have to be addressed

Discuss ?MBD, correction if diagnosed, which product to use and how often. etc. .........tomorrow.
Careful... you don't want to over use the reptiboost. I can't imagine that malnutrition is her problem, as she was eating up to a week ago.

If there is MBD? discuss the use dusting ( * frequency) of the Rep cal
Purchase a vitamin supplement or a combined product such as.
Rapashy !

Repashy Superfoods :: RETAIL SALES :: By Product Name :: Calcium Plus :: Calcium Plus 4 oz BAG - Repashy Ventures - Distributor Center

Water:
imperative to start to use the Aquatize

Get advice using ANY liquid Ca products, as well as the evaluation of the need to do so.
This product id available:
Repashy Superfoods :: RETAIL SALES :: By Product Name :: RescueCal Plus :: RescueCal + 150g BAG - Repashy Ventures - Distributor Center
IT SHOULD BE USED UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF A VET !
You could print this and bring it with you.
Or , is MBD is severe enough an injection could be given by the vet?

Try to leave her alone as much as possible.
Provide complete darkness at night. Continue to cover three sides of the enclosure
Continue to dust -with calcium -the appropriate size crickets every night and put them in her bowl and one or two on the floor of the hospital tank.
Provide leaf cover
and a clean water dish w/ de-chlor water only
The Aqautize is easy - it is 8 drops from the container per gallon---save a gallon water container
You can re-fill the container right form the tap
Use the de-chlor water to dampen her paper towels as well.


While she is out of her regular enclosure
disinfect the carpet

either dispose of it
or
Soak the 'carpet' in HOT water and a few drops of bleach NO SOAP of any kind !
RINSE the carpet for a long time and then soak it in a clean container with water and plenty a of drops of aquatize to get rid of the bleach
Plan to change the substrate and clean or discard the plants like the carpet RINSE RINSE RINSE and soak in Aquatize

These carpets need to be maintain like this on a regular basis !

while the substrate is out:
Wipe down the walls and the floor of the of the tank the following way:
Ask the vet for ONE 250 mg tablet of Metronidizole. It's cheap-- they should give it to you.
Break the tablet in the 4 equal pcs. Put 1/4 of the tablet into a spray bottle ( ie 18 ounces )w/ distilled water.
Spray and wipe down the interior of her regular enclosure including the cleaned plastic plants.
Dry the spray w/ clean paper towels
If it's damp in some areas -- it's ok -- just let it air dry.

Good luck
Lynn

[aegillesp]

Alright, so the vet squeezed me in once I told them I thought her leg was broken. Didn't even have to wait very long too. Her weight is 13g, down from 16 when I took her 2 months ago. He did inform me that he did use Panacur last time for the worms, and he did give her some more. He thinks that since she had nothing but pinworms last time that maybe some were in her muscles and seaped out after the others were gone. She does infact have a broken leg
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He told me if her bones were large enough he could stick a pin in and set it, but since she is so tiny, she will just have to heal on her own. He did say her bones look great so I guess that's a plus (besides the broken one). I did pick up some water treatment stuff
Tetrafauna AquaSafe Water Conditioner - Sale - Fish - PetSmart
It says to do 10ml per 10gal, so if I get the go ahead, I'll do some water.