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    I gave my little sick froggie a pedialyte bath and she started doing something really odd. She seemed to enjoy it.. but I'm no expert. Any idea what she is doing?

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    It may sound strange, but... peeing? That, or taking in the fluid?

    Not sure, maybe someone else will have seen this before.
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    I'd really like to know what she is doing. She hasn't poo'd for a few days and she hasn't eaten. I got repti boost but I don't know if I'm reading the directions right....

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    Quote Originally Posted by aegillesp View Post
    I'd really like to know what she is doing. She hasn't poo'd for a few days and she hasn't eaten. I got repti boost but I don't know if I'm reading the directions right....
    No idea what frog is doing with the hip dance; does look funny .

    If you are referring to the small ReptiBoost brown leaflet... yes, it is quite confusing because the dossage table head tittles with the words "severe, mild, and additional" refer to different situations unrelated to each other.

    Is your frog exhibiting weight loss or shows any other signs of malnutrition? Have you had a fecal exam done by vet to rule out parasites? Force feeding an animal is stressful and a last resort kind of action .

    For a severely malnourished animal (lethargic, bones visible, etc.); you would start with the first column dosage (50% of SMR) to prevent over stressing a weak animal digestive system. After 4 days you would use the second column dose (100% of SMR). If animal is not severely malnourished; you can start animal on the second column (100% of SMR). The 3rd column is meant as a supplemental (in addition to what they eat) nutrition for animals that are suffering from a long term "chronic" disease. Good luck !
    Remember to take care of the enclosure and it will take care of your frog !​

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    I did the middle one and it seemed too much for her tiny body... I gave the vet a fecal sample over 2-3 weeks ago, he gave her a clean bill of health, but I see no changes. I haven't even seen poo in 3-4 days. To be completely honest, She looks very bloated to me compared to the pictures I've seen of an AGTF. I don't think she is supposed to look the way she does but I may be wrong.

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    Looks like hiccups to me.
    She may have swallowed a little too much water?
    You could take some of the water out. They just need a little
    Only her belly has to be in it .
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    I only have 1/4" of water in there. She never goes in fully even when I try. She sits half way in and does it for 5-10 minutes if I don't disturb her. Maybe she is drinking through her butt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aegillesp View Post
    I only have 1/4" of water in there. She never goes in fully even when I try. She sits half way in and does it for 5-10 minutes if I don't disturb her. Maybe she is drinking through her butt?
    Oh good. It looked a little deeper that that.
    So shallow is fine, she will absorb it through her skin.
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    I asked the doc about her when I took my bearded to the vet today, he doesn't know what's wrong with her. I've seen poo twice in the past month and I don't think she is eating anything. I fed her in a seperate container yesterday, which I may do again today, she ate 2 out of the 4 calcium covered crickets.. still no poopie. She looks very bloated to me.. she has been since I got her compared to the other photos I've seen of her species.

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    If she's bloated, she may have a bacterial infection... I'm not sure, honestly, but it's a thought.

    An overload of bacteria can cause bloating in both frogs and salamanders.
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    I could be wrong, I think she looks bloated... I've seen others and they weren't as fat as she is, and plus she feels squishy...

    Question about reptiboost... Can I use liquid calcium with it (she hasn't been eating, not even dusted crickets, and I'm worried about MBD)? Like half water half LC? or since she's so sick 1/4 LC and 3/4 water?

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    I have seen my male Grey Tree Frog do that many times. I took a video of it and showed the vet. And he said my frog was being "naughty" and he was super excited and he was trying to reproduce. But I'm not sure what that has to do with a female but I have seen my male do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aegillesp View Post
    I could be wrong, I think she looks bloated... I've seen others and they weren't as fat as she is, and plus she feels squishy...

    Agree with Caspian and if bloating is caused by bacteria (they block lymph system and cause swelling) it should get worse and will require antibiotics.

    Question about reptiboost... Can I use liquid calcium with it (she hasn't been eating, not even dusted crickets, and I'm worried about MBD)? Like half water half LC? or since she's so sick 1/4 LC and 3/4 water?

    I would not add CA to ReptiBoost; it already has CA and many other minerals in balanced doses and by adding more CA it could actually interfere with product formula.
    Good luck and try to take some pics of frog today. Then you can use pics for reference the next few days in case bloating does worsen or improves .
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    I'm sorry I never responded to your other post.
    She looks pretty healthy, she's eating (she ate 2 of four crickets last night? that's a good sign!), no poop yet? But may come soon.
    Her fecals are healthy? You did have her tested, right?
    Just a thought.....
    maybe lay off on handling, and checking on her for a while. She may be a bit stressed?
    give her some alone time, she may come around soon. In my personal experience, frogs prefer to be left alone and then usually come around. At least if there is no other eminent danger. i.e. - parasites, bacterial infection, etc.
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    I've left her a lone for a few days at a time, other than changing water and changing foods, and I've seen no change. Today I took her out to give her a pedialyte bath and her legs are bending when she moves, bending in a way that I've never seen. When I held her she just dangled her leg off the edge of my hand...She barely tried to jump away from me. Here are some pictures from today and yesterday... I've had her since January and after having her the first month, she's been lethargic and barely eats, she looks horrible to me...She used to be VERY bright green, she doesn't look like a healthy AGTF...

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    Hi aegillesp,
    Sorry she is not coming around.
    I think she should got to the vet .
    It's been long enough. poor baby
    Look for poop ! Hopefully you find some.
    You'll want to get a fecal test done.
    The lethargy is bothers me.
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    Phyllobates bicolor "Uraba"

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    I cant seem to get any poo from her, and the doc doesn't know what is wrong with her. I might ask for some meds for a bacterial infection and see if he'll give it to me. Last time I got a fecal done (about a month or little more ago) he gave her a clean bill of health, but I she just seems to not get any better... he said she had a little MBD, but I can't get her to eat. The bowl of 3 diff kinds of worms and tiny crickets didn't get eaten and I put them in there for 3-4 days, they were moving up until the last day. I did put some Phoenix worms, which are so full of calcium that you dont need to dust them, and I didn't see them there this morning. I bought a leaf bowl (there is pictures above) and put them in there instead of on the bottom, she didn't touch the wax worms.... good sign?

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