What frogs/toads can I keep with fish?

[Scottyhorse]

wow, that's a lot of questions. i'll try to answer them, but i'll probably miss a few....lol

you can do an island tank very easily and cheaply. i actually designed one to go in a 40b, but never got around to building it completely. go to the dollar store and get a small plastic wastepaper basket. trim it to about an inch above your planned water level, fill it with a drainage layer (don't forget a drainage tube) and the substrate of your choice. it will actually be small enough that if you so choose, you can use gravel as a drainage layer. place that in a spot in the tank that you want it, and you have an instant island. trim it with some moss and plant some aquatics in front of it and no one will be the wiser. of course, you can still do egg crate easily enough. the way i described is just a very economical way of doing it, and it will keep the substrate dry.

a cfl rated at 6500k will provide sufficient lighting to any live plants you may keep in the viv, but will provide only the slightest amount of heat. the only heat will come from the attached ballast, not from the light itself, so you may want to plan for a supplemental heat source. as far as uvb lighting goes, it's not really necessary, but if you feel more comfortable having it, then by all means go for it. none of my tanks have uv lighting. they all run 6500k florescent lighting.

louis already covered the cleaning of coco fiber, but keep in mind, that phat phrogs require monthly substrate changes, but many other frogs do not, especially if you are keeping a live vivarium. with the addition of microfauna as a cleaning crew, you can just spot clean and do annual substrate changes. but as Louis said, the nose knows

keeping a springtail culture in the tank as a primary food source most likely will not work. the frogs will diminish your culture very quickly. your best bet is to seed the tank with microfauna first, then wait about a month for them to populate the tank before adding the frogs. give them some time to establish themselves before adding the murderers....lol feed fruit flies as a primary food source, and they will snack on the springtails in between meals. the springtails just won't reproduce fast enough to keep up with the frog's appetites. the frogs will eat until they explode, if given the chance.....lol as far as rice flour beetles, i would only feed the larvae.

hope i got most of your questions answered

Haha sorry, being a newb sucks. lol

That's a good idea of the island. Do you have any pictures of it, or making it, or the workings of it? That would be a lot cheaper.

The reason I wanted to do a cfl is because I use them on a lot of my planted fish tanks and emersed tubs for plants, so I figured I would use one on this. I guess about the uvb bulb, I was thinking about the ceramic heat emmiter bulb. So never mind about that. lol

So since I am most likely keeping BBWT and Blue Black Reed Frogs, would those be considered 'phat phrogs'? If not, how often should I change the substrate for my frogs/toads? And I will be having live plants like I said.

What do I use for a cuc? I always like having a clean up crew
That make sense with the spring tails. But what about when I change all the substrate out? Wouldn't that get rid of them all?

[Scottyhorse]

Why oh why do I need to like the expensive hobbies? This is going to be one expensive ten gal tank.. Then I am going to make another! Hahahaha

[Scottyhorse]

Oh I have another question

Can I use sand for the aquatic part of the reed frog viv? In the pool of the BBWT viv I am just going to use fine gravel.

[deranged chipmunk]

sorry, i never got around to building that tank, and i rarely ever sketch up plans ahead of time. i see a vision in my head of what i want a tank to look like and then i build it. i'm kind of a savant when it comes to building tanks....lol

sorry, fat frogs are frogs like pacmans and pyxies. your clean up crew can be springtails, isopods (pillbugs) or both. if you use just springtails, and you come upon a substrate change, just soak the old substrate in water, the springtails will float, if there are any the toads/frogs hadn't devoured already....lol

[Scottyhorse]

sorry, i never got around to building that tank, and i rarely ever sketch up plans ahead of time. i see a vision in my head of what i want a tank to look like and then i build it. i'm kind of a savant when it comes to building tanks....lol

sorry, fat frogs are frogs like pacmans and pyxies. your clean up crew can be springtails, isopods (pillbugs) or both. if you use just springtails, and you come upon a substrate change, just soak the old substrate in water, the springtails will float, if there are any the toads/frogs hadn't devoured already....lol

Oh lol that's alright. Would the paper basket be right side up, or upside down? And what do you mean about a drainage tube?

Thanks, that make sense about the clean up crew.

[deranged chipmunk]

right side up, like a bucket. a drainage tube is for removing excess water. an airline with a piece of sponge on the end will suffice. place that on the bottom, add a couple inches of gravel, then substrate for the plants.

[Scottyhorse]

Oh okay.For the drainage tube, where would I put it at? Top, bottom, middle?

[deranged chipmunk]

bottom......here's a link to a thread where i made up a quickie sketch about the same thing
http://www.frogforum.net/tree-frogs/...-crickets.html

[Scottyhorse]

Okay so then I should just get a little pump to drain the water out? Sounds easy enough.

[deranged chipmunk]

nah, just siphon it out using good old fashioned lung power. you may not even have to ever do that, since it will be more like a flower pot instead of an entire viv bottom. but it will be a nice feature to have in case you do need it. and if you place a valve on the end of the, and keep it below the bottom of the tank line (outside the tank of course), after you siphon once, just close the valve. next time you need to siphon, open the valve, and voila, instant drainage.

[Scottyhorse]

nah, just siphon it out using good old fashioned lung power. you may not even have to ever do that, since it will be more like a flower pot instead of an entire viv bottom. but it will be a nice feature to have in case you do need it. and if you place a valve on the end of the, and keep it below the bottom of the tank line (outside the tank of course), after you siphon once, just close the valve. next time you need to siphon, open the valve, and voila, instant drainage.

But what is I don't want frog water in my mouth? lol
I'm just glad I don't need to make a false bottom, one less thing to confuse me...lol I'll put the tube and sponge in in case I need it.
Should I use clay balls, pea gravel, or what for the drainage layer?

[Louis Charles Bruckner]

But what is I don't want frog water in my mouth? lol
I'm just glad I don't need to make a false bottom, one less thing to confuse me...lol I'll put the tube and sponge in in case I need it.
Should I use clay balls, pea gravel, or what for the drainage layer?

If you get a valve or a locking pare of forceps you can use a turkey baster to apply suction
and don't drain all the water out so you can keep the prime on the siphon.
Then use the valve or locking forceps to stop the flow of water.

Also if you put the drainage tube with the sponge at the back of the tank on the very bottom.
I would raise the front by 5mm or so to make the water go to the back where the tube is.

Now on the choice of drainage material, I would use the clay pellets since they are porous
and can hold some moisture to help keep the humidity stable.