Clawed Frog Bloated

[rob2000]

My reply:

First of all, I do not appreciate any of you speaking to me in the way you are speaking to me. I myself am an animal lover and would never do anything intentionally to hurt an animal. I have done research online and there are many varying opininons on frogs, how they should be kept and their reactions to salt. I wanted to seek some help from some others that might have different experiences. Your advice, although I see clearly that I have been doing something wrong, is rude and obnoxious. To be honest,your comments will only hurt other frogs in the future because people will be nervous to seek help and advice from people like you who may have good insight but are completely rude about giving an answer. It would have been enough for you to give me the feedback without the attitude.

I will take your comments into consideration obviously and make the environment as comfortable as I can for him but I do not appreciate the treatment I have been getting on this site and will take action to write to the heads of the site to advise on how rude you are.

Thank you

I put the above statement in a large, bold, red font because this is exactly why your frog is suffering/dying.

Put away your epsom salt, your MarOxy, and whatever various potions your local Petsmart/Petco sell that would have you believe it solve this serious problem and please take that money saved and do the following:

1. Purchase a 10 gallon aquarium from Walmart or PetCo, which are often sold at $1/gallon. est. price $13
2. Purchase a filter capable of double capacity of said 10 gallons, a Whisper 20i would work. est. price $15
3. Purchase a good water conditioner such as Prime or Stress Coat and perform weekly 50% water changes on the 10 gallon aquarium. est. price $8-12 for the water conditioner.

For $40 dollars you can provide your frog the adequate, though minimal housing it needs to live. If the frog is only slightly bloated, assuming it is soft bloat when you place the frog in proper conditions it should rebound and begin to heal. These are VERY hardy amphibians but these conditions will cause a premature death. Do these things before his condition worsens and he is beyond recovery.

Sorry to be blunt but I am being 100% honest with you. Medications will not solve this, this frog needs to be placed in better conditions and what I've described are the very minimum conditions these frogs need to live. If you can afford a larger than 10 gallon tank, perhaps a 20 gallon long tank, and a stronger filter perhaps a Whisper 40i or equivalent then please, provide larger housing for this frog. The more the better.

If $40 is too steep I strongly urge you to rehome the frog, it will not survive much longer in the conditions you are keeping it.

[Felis]

It´s sad that you see it like this. Everyone said as politely as possible what´s wrong with your frog and it won´t help if you just feel offended and retreat from the forum. I hope you really considerate to change your setup. I don´t know where you´ve got your information on frog keeping from, but it´s obviously not a reasonable source. As you already are pouting, I think it´s ok to say it clearly: you didn´t do your homework (which means you weren´t able to investigate the minimum requirements of those easy-to-keep-frogs) and you did everything wrong, which is why your pet is suffering now. Hopefully, you will change this situation (which is still possible), with or without further help of people who know how to keep these animals properly.

P.S.: you have quite a weird way to show your "love"; anyhow, frogs don´t care about being loved, they just need their basic needs to be met.

[Necromencer]

'I change water every week since only 1gal with no filtration which has been no issue until now.'


This is the problem I have with your comment. let's ignore everything else for a moment. You're playing the victim here, when that poor frog has lived three years in pauper conditions, because of your ignorance and misguidance. I'm quoting you, and I want to point out that you've mentioned that you change the water every week, but you have no filter. This seems to me that you've done your basic homework and research, but yet you've chose to go against what was recommended (every site I've seen says 10g/frog), and you've opted to go for whatever was most convenient for you, regardless of any potential ramifications. This is even more so, when you say: 'I've had no issue up to now'. That says to me that you were aware of the issues, because you knew that having no filtration or a small amount of water would be bad, but you chose not to give it a decent quality of life. That's how I read it.


Out response was quite tame (except the guy whom you quoted, who has a famous reputation for being bold and having an attitude), but this forum is dedicated to frogs, and to see this cruelty and torture only brings sadness and in some cases anger, because it was caused by a human, who could have dealt with the situation a lot better.


I don't know about you, but after three years I'm pretty sure I would know how to treat a frog, either by research or common sense (trial and error). After three years, I can imagine that you would see that the frog is too big to move, 1G must be visually small enough for you to understand this.

In addition, what responses would you expect if you found out that an adult woman was kept in a small cage for three years? I'm sure the responses of the person who put her there wouldn't be very good ones. We're not being personal at you, per se, but rather at your poor animal keeping skills and common sense.

Please, by all means, write to the head of the website, but I'm sure he'll understand, where we are coming from.


We would have given you a lot better response if you hadn't of been torturing your pet, excuse the boldness.

[mpmistr]

I humbly apologize for not simply validating your inadequate care for your animals.

Your frog's declining health is due to the poor conditions it is living in. I'm not sure how I am supposed to sugar coat this for you to make the statement more palatable but that is the bottom line here.

I don't know what else to tell you, if you simply wanted validation and want us to agree with adding chemicals to the water to fix an issue caused by the fact the frog is simply kept in an unfiltered and woefully tiny enclosure I guess you are out of luck friend.

Nothing I said to you was rude in any way. Sounds to me like you came here to get the answer you wanted to hear, not the answer you needed to hear. I never once insulted you, by all means please show me where I personally attacked you in this thread?

I provided you the information you need to save the life of your frog, no more no less.

[reptileszz]

My reply:

First of all, I do not appreciate any of you speaking to me in the way you are speaking to me. I myself am an animal lover and would never do anything intentionally to hurt an animal. I have done research online and there are many varying opininons on frogs, how they should be kept and their reactions to salt. I wanted to seek some help from some others that might have different experiences. Your advice, although I see clearly that I have been doing something wrong, is rude and obnoxious. To be honest,your comments will only hurt other frogs in the future because people will be nervous to seek help and advice from people like you who may have good insight but are completely rude about giving an answer. It would have been enough for you to give me the feedback without the attitude.

I will take your comments into consideration obviously and make the environment as comfortable as I can for him but I do not appreciate the treatment I have been getting on this site and will take action to write to the heads of the site to advise on how rude you are.

Thank you

This is very sad. You are not being treated poorly. You are being given important advice. You are keeping your frog in conditions that are obviously harmful. I suggest you step back, read the advice, follow it and you will have a happy healthy frog. If not I dont think you will have this frog anymore

Carole

Oops, should have read farther along. I am glad you are taking the advice. Your frog will be much healthier for it

[Louis Charles Bruckner]

Oops, should have read farther along. I am glad you are taking the advice. Your frog will be much healthier for it

Yep a clear case of open mouth insert foot. LOL

[Jenste]

Let's stop worrying about talking about other members and let's focus on helping this frog.

Welcome Rob.

I highly recommend filling that 5 gallon up, not half way. I had frogs in 22" of water in my tanks and they thrived. At 3 years old, your frog should be full grown and depending on gender it should be over 3" of body length (nose to bottom, not including stretched out hind legs) if a male and over 5" if female.

The small tank, poor diet and inadequate water volume have stunted his growth. The 5 gallon will be a much healthier environment for him. While switching, I would not move over the gravel as he is looking rather rolly polly as it is and has problem ingested some which can be quite damaging to their insides. Opt for a bare bottom tank or a thin layer of sand in the new tank.

If you are going to keep not filtering, please do a 50% water change every three days. This will help him immensely - only treat the water with a fresh water conditioner like API, do not treat the tank with salt, pH buffers, ammonia remover etc. The fresher the water is, the more fresh water creatures appreciate it!

You already greatly improved his diet so well done there. Instead of freezedried brineshrimp try switching to the frozen brine shrimp cubes. Just cut off a small amount from the block (keep the rest of the block frozen), thaw his portion in tank water then feed. It is easiest to feed using a little plate on the bottom of the tank and squirting the sinking food onto it (the brine and depends on which type of pellet you use - some float, some sink). Feeding in the same place every time teaches the frog where to go when it smells food (their vision is awful!) and it keeps the tank cleaner by not having food scattered all over the place to be missed so it rots. Rotting food fouls the water.