Frozen silversides?

[demon amphibians]

You are right, but it is almost impossible to do so. Frogs in the wild do not need supplements because they eat hundreds of difference types of food that have a large arya of nutrition. We cant do that in captivity. some of us are lucky to be able to feed 3 types of food. So supplements are a high recommendation whether you gut load or dust. Now gut loading doesnt have to be a brand name product either. If you feed your crickets lettuce and oranges they will be able to provide a sufficent source of calcium.

[Herpguy]

It is really too easy to feed roaches many many different kinds of foods that pass on complete nutrition for your frogs. Just like in human supplementation, vitamins and nutrients are nigh on useless if they aren't coming from an actual food. I am against supplements, and I have never had an issue with MBD or growth.

[GrifTheGreat]

In truth both of you are correct, but in the wild there are nutritional elements that we cannot provide even with a varied diet and supplements. It doesn't hurt to dust the fish for added calcium and vitamin content. Fish contain thiaminase which causes a Vitamin B1 deficiency in frogs so it is actually beneficial to dust a feeder fish with a multivitamin to counteract the thiaminase.

It is also recommended to dust the rump of pinky mice when offering them to your frogs for added calcium content that the pinky is lacking due to undeveloped bones.

Even so it is best to add a little variety whenever possible for the frog's benefit. Gutloading can work great if using a good formula to do so and can even provide all the supplements that the frog needs if done correctly, but it never hurts to provide a little extra nutrition.

[Herpguy]

The thiaminase issue is something that has never been proven, only speculated. I have never seen nor heard of a frog that actually had a B1 deficiency.
I think that the problem lies in people feeding store bought foods. I think everybody should at least breed some species of roach, as that way you can feed them whatever your animals need. Powdered milk is a perfect source of of calcium for feeder insects. I know exactly what my animals are eating, as my feeders eat better than me.

[GrifTheGreat]

The thiaminase issue is something that has never been proven, only speculated. I have never seen nor heard of a frog that actually had a B1 deficiency.
I think that the problem lies in people feeding store bought foods. I think everybody should at least breed some species of roach, as that way you can feed them whatever your animals need. Powdered milk is a perfect source of of calcium for feeder insects. I know exactly what my animals are eating, as my feeders eat better than me.

Indeed and its cost efficient. I have a dubia colony. Pacman frogs don't care much for them, but the Pyxi loves them. I always offer variety mostly in the form of treats. Hornworms being one of the most used treats and they really like the way they thrash around.

[Herpguy]

If your horned frogs don't like dubia, I would recommend you try some different species. There are many out there and certain ones work better for certain species. Dubia are really one of the worse feeders in the roach world, as far as attracting animals.

[GrifTheGreat]

If your horned frogs don't like dubia, I would recommend you try some different species. There are many out there and certain ones work better for certain species. Dubia are really one of the worse feeders in the roach world, as far as attracting animals.

Its the legs. All spikes. They like how they move, but dont care for the legs. I'm going to breed a bunch of different feeders soon. Especially worms since my frogs main diet consists of Night Crawlers. I need some African Crawlers too.

[demon amphibians]

The thiaminase issue is something that has never been proven, only speculated. I have never seen nor heard of a frog that actually had a B1 deficiency.
I think that the problem lies in people feeding store bought foods. I think everybody should at least breed some species of roach, as that way you can feed them whatever your animals need. Powdered milk is a perfect source of of calcium for feeder insects. I know exactly what my animals are eating, as my feeders eat better than me.

Romain lettuce and oranges combined contain more calcium than milk. what you said about supplements is very true they can cause vitamin deficiency which is why you must be careful and do research on the products you are using. I also agree that roaches do provide excellent nutrition. I have been stapling all my frogs on them for over a year. my colony is HUGE I will start selling soon. Also feeding your roaches powdered milk is a no go. Milk is known to cause cause calcium deficiency in humans. who knows if this will happen with frogs too. But none the less you dont wanna feed milk products to your roaches because they contain to much of protein. It will slow breeding and can be fatal to your roaches. I have a recent thread on here that goes into detail on that if you are interested.

[Herpguy]

That milk causing calcium deficiency intrigues me, I have to do more research on that. Nonetheless, I do not grind my food up like many people do, I let my roaches pick what they need.
Anyways, I know for a fact that higher protein amounts do not slow production, they actually increase them. I need to dig up the study that I read on that recently. I do not give my roaches a high protein diet however, as it's not protein that frogs need, it's the vitamins from the fruits and veggies that they obviously do not hunt.

[GrifTheGreat]

That milk causing calcium deficiency intrigues me, I have to do more research on that. Nonetheless, I do not grind my food up like many people do, I let my roaches pick what they need.
Anyways, I know for a fact that higher protein amounts do not slow production, they actually increase them. I need to dig up the study that I read on that recently. I do not give my roaches a high protein diet however, as it's not protein that frogs need, it's the vitamins from the fruits and veggies that they obviously do not hunt.

Too much fat and protein can cause cornial lipidosis which can lead to blindness.