Ugh... Medicine not working...

[HerpDerp]

I posted a while ago about Glurmo being sick. He's been on metronidazole for 20 days now (two drops on his back daily). I've force fed him a few times, tried to get him to eat on his own daily and I've done soaks. He definitely has symptoms of a protozoa infection. He's lethargic, not eating, shedding daily, spending a lot of time in the water. Since he hasn't really been eating the only poop I've seen from him is basically just mucous. I really thought that the medicine would help him, but if anything he's gotten worse since he's been on it . I just don't know what to do at this point. I don't know why the medicine isn't working and it's killing me to see him suffer. I've considered having him euthanized to end it for him, but I just can't help but think there's something else I can do. I just don't know what. I'm looking for any suggestions at this point ...

[aegillesp]

I'm really sorry about your little guy. I noticed the same symptoms in my lil' girl and I took her poop to the vet to have it looked at, and it was FULL of worms. She's been lethargic, hardly eating, can barely climb. He did give her a medication called fenbendazole .02ml that I have to give her orally for 3 days. It's been a challenge to get her mouth open, but thankfully she only has one dosage left. I would try to maybe get some of the fenbendazole? Definately get a poop sample to the vet. I'm just a beginner with frogs, but maybe my experience will help you?

[HerpDerp]

I can't get his poop tested because he's not pooping . The couple times he "pooped" out mucus it was just liquid pretty much. But if it was worms wouldn't my other frog be sick as well? He's been perfectly fine through all of this. Actually, he's grown a bit since he's been getting Glurmo's uneaten crickets LOL. Has your frog shown any improvement with the medication?

[HerpDerp]

And what was the dosage your vet recommended and how is it prepared? I can get it online for like $5 so I might give it a shot. I'm assuming if it works I would probably have to treat my other frog too?

[Heatheranne]

Michelle, your vet can prescribe Panacur (fenbendazole) even without a fecal test. It is a safe treatment so long as it is prescribed by weight or the size of your frog. Give your vet or Dr.Frye a call. You may be able to still save your frog.

[aegillesp]

Honestly, I have not yet seen an improvement, but then again, I think I've traumatized her by forcing her mouth to open, didn't take me as long today, but yesterday was horrible. I'm supposed to take her poo to the vet on monday or tuesday, so we'll see if it's really working. I've had her for almost 3 months, the first month she was perfect, eating 7 crickets a day, then suddenly went to 2-3 every few days then 1 every few days. Her condition changed quickly for me. I've thought about asking if I can get a small amount to keep on hand. I do want to get more AGTFs.

[aegillesp]

Oh, the dosage he gave me was .02ml for 16g(?) she is about 1-1/2 to 2" long. It was given to me in syringes (w/out needles) and I just had to give it to her orally every day.

[flybyferns]

Oh, the dosage he gave me was .02ml for 16g(?) she is about 1-1/2 to 2" long. It was given to me in syringes (w/out needles) and I just had to give it to her orally every day.

Hi,
Couple things:
I agree with Heather. I would scoop up poop from both frogs and have it tested.
If one or both are infested- they should both be treated.
The should be in separate enclosures. Quarantine is probably the very most important thing you could be doing for your frogs.

The Metro works by stopping the growth of some bacteria , protozoa and fungal infection.
20 days is a longtime-- neurological and kidney side effects can be a result of its use this long.
The runny stool could be result of not continued infection but a result of the food the frogs is getting or a side effect of the metro?

You really need to talk to the vet.
Most vets will not make you bring the frog(s) back it.

Remember Michelle, we have a much greater daily exposure to our frogs. You can help the vet by discussing what you have observed.
Don't underestimate the importance of that! If the vet is not 'listenting' to you...find a new one! You have worked very hard!

[Mentat]

...He's been on metronidazole for 20 days now (two drops on his back daily). I've force fed him a few times, tried to get him to eat on his own daily and I've done soaks. He definitely has symptoms of a protozoa infection. He's lethargic, not eating, shedding daily, spending a lot of time in the water. Since he hasn't really been eating the only poop I've seen from him is basically just mucous. I really thought that the medicine would help him, but if anything he's gotten worse since he's been on it . I just don't know what to do at this point. I don't know why the medicine isn't working and it's killing me to see him suffer. I've considered having him euthanized to end it for him, but I just can't help but think there's something else I can do. I just don't know what. I'm looking for any suggestions at this point ...

Hello Michelle! I'm confused about your frog treatment and the veterinary prescription. As stated Metro is an anti-protozoan and anti-bacterial. Metro is not safe for continued use and repeated treatments can damage an organism kidneys if used so. I'm not a veterinary, but the use you are stating (over 20 days) does not match any prescription I know of. Why are you force feeding frog? Did vet directed that? Force feeding is very stressful and usually a last resort type of thing.

I can't get his poop tested because he's not pooping . The couple times he "pooped" out mucus it was just liquid pretty much. But if it was worms wouldn't my other frog be sick as well? He's been perfectly fine through all of this. Actually, he's grown a bit since he's been getting Glurmo's uneaten crickets LOL. Has your frog shown any improvement with the medication?

Those frogs should be in quarantine on hospital tank set-up. If together and one frog has protozoa, probably both do. Should take poop sample of "healthy" frog to vet for fecal analysis now.

Hi,
Couple things:
I agree with Heather. I would scoop up poop from both frogs and have it tested.
If one or both are infested- they should both be treated.
The should be in separate enclosures. Quarantine is probably the very most important thing you could be doing for your frogs.

The Metro works by stopping the growth of some bacteria , protozoa and fungal infection.
20 days is a longtime-- neurological and kidney side effects can be a result of its use this long.
The runny stool could be result of not continued infection but a result of the food the frogs is getting or a side effect of the metro?

You really need to talk to the vet.
Most vets will not make you bring the frog(s) back it.

Remember Michelle, we have a much greater daily exposure to our frogs. You can help the vet by discussing what you have observed.
Don't underestimate the importance of that! If the vet is not 'listenting' to you...find a new one! You have worked very hard!

Agree with Lynn comments! Good luck

[flybyferns]

Hi Michelle,
Just to reiterate what I posted 2 days ago

"I would scoop up poop from both frogs and have it tested.
If one or both are infested- they should both be treated."
They should be in separate enclosures.
Quarantine is probably the very most important thing you could be doing for your frogs. "

I feel bad for you - But you need to send the fecals to Dr Frye.
If its a parasite ....it has to identified properly. Panacur will get most of the, but not all.
If these were my frogs I wold do the fecal 1st - not just treat!
If panacur is not the right treatment- it could make things worse!

His poor digestive tract needs to rest ! Poor baby...sorry

Lynn

[HerpDerp]

I am in the process of trying to find a vet near by to at least do a fecal for me on him. At least that way I can get results sooner. It's only going to be Lrrr's feces that will be tested. But since glurmo just ate maybe he'll actually poop. Fingers crossed! I really do appreciate all the helpful advice I've been given.

[flybyferns]

Michelle,
I'm so glad to hear he ate. It's a great sign!
Yes , lets hope you will have a sample soon !
Please keep us posted
Lynn