Mutant questions?

[herpetolocrazy]

Hey guys, I've heard that the only way to get mutant pacmans is to breed a blue with a blue...but is this true? Is it really just a gamble, kind of like crested geckos? I have a strawberry and a samurai phase 2 blue cranwelli and would love to get some sort of odd morph or mutant out of them. Is this possible? Thanks in advance.

[Mentat]

What do you refer as a mutant Pacman? If it's other than normal green/brown color variations; there is very limited information available. Although not a breeder; from what I've read, there is not a dominant/recessive gene play; but more of a mixed output when crossing colors.

For example from a male albino and a normal green female cross, the published results were: browns (light & dark); greens (all shades); and albinos ( pink, red, gold & green). For pics see: PACMAN FROGLETTS 2010 Photos by JNJIvoryReptiles | Photobucket. Obviously something else other than dominant/recessive genetics is going on; maybe a mix of incomplete dominance, co-dominance, or multiple gene interaction.

It's my experience (and imagine it's same with frogs) that hybrid fish breeders are very protective of their experience based knowledge. What business person would not protect their intellectual property? Obviously, the sad result of that conduct to others, is that the information is not readily available as scientific published articles are. Maybe you get lucky and experienced breeders in forum give their insight to your questions. Good luck !

[mikesfrogs]

These are mutants

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[Locascio]

Hey mike thos are from a samuri x sumuri breeding?

[Mentat]

These are mutants...

Thanks Mike ! Got the idea... and personally don't find them as attractive as non-mutants. Imagine some people will find them unique and like them... or do breeders tend to cull those?

[mikesfrogs]

Yes

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[MatthewM1]

Imagine some people will find them unique and like them... or do breeders tend to cull those?

Those are the ones that sell for the big bucks actually

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[mikesfrogs]

Only a few have frogs genetically able to produce mutants. I have a male here that does produce them. Its very rare

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[Raya]

What is the difference between a color morph and the mutants? I mean, I see a big difference in colors and pattern (seems really random with mutants?) but how do they differ geneticly?

[mikesfrogs]

They change color. I've had ones start out as brown and green and they were solid pink by the time they were adults. I don't think anyother species does this

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[Gnag the nameless]

My god... I'd love a mutant pacman frog. Very cool colorations, in my opinion, and the whole mutant idea just sounds interesting.

[FrogGangOrCroak]

Could there be a possibility that mutants are caused by the company Samurai Genetically altering the genes/color pigments in the Samurai blues?

[Justin Bailey]

I don't beleive so. I worked on a project with Bob Clark that involved that method and it did not turn out. Im positive this is the result of several generations of line breeding.

[FrogGangOrCroak]

In all respect pythons and horned frogs are pretty different. If that is the case why doesn't this occur with any other morphs of horned frogs. Just the Blue phase I thought.

[mikesfrogs]

I breed both frog ranch line and nuance lines.

There are positive and negatives to both lines

Samurai lines are brighter in color but production numbers are low.

Frog ranch- produce larger spawns. The color quality varies more.

Mutants randomly occur. I have produced a number of mutants. They all occur from samurai to samurai. I had one spawn that was samurai to albino. Never have I seen a mutant come from another line than nuances blues.

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[pyxieBob]

there was only one person who made it personal for NO REASON. and that person should not be welcome.

[DeeDub]

Hmm... lame thread. Never seen you all flip the EFF out before...lol. NOBODY TALKS TO THE GRIFFS LIKE THAT!!!!! haha.

Technically Rambo wasn't the one doing the name calling. Not agreeing with him, but ya'll ran him off before Griff could defend with a precision taint punch.

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[mikesfrogs]

Float like a butterfly................ someone else finish the line

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[Rambo]

LMAO!! I didn't know griff had a whole army! I find it pretty amusing that every one flipped out. Real sensitive people on here. I thought we could debate on this thread? Whats up with people taking it up the butt when I try and question the moderator? I feel like I'm on trial for
Murder now GEEZ! lol it's cool tho all those disrespectful comments don't bother me I hope I don't get banned for questioning the moderator aha

[Sunshine]

STING LIKE A BEE