PacMan Food VS: Dustid Crickits

[Locascio]

This is a comparison between feeding a fulltime diet.the first 2 pics are of a frog that hase been fed pacman food 3x a week. the 2ed pics are frogs that have been only eating dustid crickits 3x a week thay all wear the same size when i got them from Mike. around the size of a nickel. as you can see the first pic is a 2 inch frog as wear the other frogs are less than an inch. The 2 tan/brown pacman frogs pic1 and 3 come frog the same spon.

[Locascio]

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[Locascio]

this is all within a 6 week time frame

[GrifTheGreat]

I want to say that while this shows significant growth differences crickets are essentially an empty food source. Even gutloaded they are not very nutritious. This comparison would be better suited for a comparison between more nutritious foods such as night crawlers or Dubia roaches, but is very informative.

Try using night crawlers as one frog's staple and Pacman Food for another and see what the results might be. I get significant growth from a staple of Night Crawlers, but I also offer food daily. Treats are waxworms, dubias, Hornworms, pinkies, and Pacman food.

Would be an excellent comparison if you were to compare it to better food items. Crickets have nowhere near the nutrition of Pacman food.

I like the growth the Pacman food gives but I don't think it makes a good staple.

[Locascio]

I want to say that while this shows significant growth differences crickets are essentially an empty food source. Even gutloaded they are not very nutritious. This comparison would be better suited for a comparison between more nutritious foods such as night crawlers or Dubia roaches, but is very informative.

Try using night crawlers as one frog's staple and Pacman Food for another and see what the results might be. I get significant growth from a staple of Night Crawlers, but I also offer food daily. Treats are waxworms, dubias, Hornworms, pinkies, and Pacman food.

Would be an excellent comparison if you were to compare it to better food items. Crickets have nowhere near the nutrition of Pacman food.

I like the growth the Pacman food gives but I don't think it makes a good staple.

I also was thinking this very same thing tonight i will be buying a few dozen night crawlers and going to start with some of my smallest pacs doing this very same thing. ill post rezults in another 6 weeks. Grif can i ask why is it you dont use the pacman food as a staple? what is it about it that doseint sit right with you.
and i will say that that brown from is somewhat of a freek . there some that are close but not like this one

[GrifTheGreat]

I also was thinking this very same thing tonight i will be buying a few dozen night crawlers and going to start with some of my smallest pacs doing this very same thing. ill post rezults in another 6 weeks. Grif can i ask why is it you dont use the pacman food as a staple? what is it about it that doseint sit right with you.
and i will say that that brown from is somewhat of a freek . there some that are close but not like this one

I just don't care for the stuff. Also it contains a lot of stuff that a frog would never knowingly ingest. Most of the food contains ash(filler) that we don't even know what it's comprised of. Frogs fed this as a staple seem to mature much faster than the normal rate so it isn't just rapid growth, but rapid sexual maturity peak at a much younger age. To me that is unnatural. Its as if this food also contains hormones and steroids. Even though there is nothing in the label to suggest that it does contain these I find it odd that this stuff causes such large growth rates. Frogs that tend to grow at extreme rates tend to top out early too thus they don't reach their full potential. Plus each individual frog matures and grows at its own pace so it may work well for some and not others.

I also don't think it has everything a frog needs as it claims. I still see frogs with MBD and other deficiency based diseases that should not occur if this food was truly a complete whole food source with all needs included. It is also very messy which I am not terribly bothered with, but it just adds one more reason why I don't think it makes a good staple. I will not say that it is a bad product, just don't think it is a solution to feeding living prey. It is good for when you want to cut some time off your feeding schedule though.

[Herpguy]

I am with Grif on that the pacman food has a lot of things that are unnatural for a frog to consume. Ren over at fatfrogs did a complete breakdown of every ingredient contained in the food.

Also, this is only a comparison between 2 frogs. In order to draw any conclusions you need to have a much larger group than that to observe. No 2 frogs will have the same growth rate, and who is to know if they are even the same gender?

[GrifTheGreat]

I am with Grif on that the pacman food has a lot of things that are unnatural for a frog to consume. Ren over at fatfrogs did a complete breakdown of every ingredient contained in the food.

Also, this is only a comparison between 2 frogs. In order to draw any conclusions you need to have a much larger group than that to observe. No 2 frogs will have the same growth rate, and who is to know if they are even the same gender?

Exactly!

[Herpguy]

Mentat, I definitely agree with your synopsis. They may make them grow faster, but that doesn't mean they're healthier. I'm very familiar with the method to grow tarantulas extremely fast (it works with most invertebrates) and it does cause overall weaker animals to be developed.

My opinion is: if you are feeding your animal a proper diet, you should NEVER have to add external supplementation. As in humans, vitamins and minerals that are not taken in from whole foods do little to help your overall health, they just can't be absorbed very well.
I do not give my animals any form of dusting on their foods, and I have never had a problem with MBD, even with ones raised on invertebrate-only diets.

[GrifTheGreat]

Mentat, I definitely agree with your synopsis. They may make them grow faster, but that doesn't mean they're healthier. I'm very familiar with the method to grow tarantulas extremely fast (it works with most invertebrates) and it does cause overall weaker animals to be developed.i

My opinion is: if you are feeding your animal a proper diet, you should NEVER have to add external supplementation. As in humans, vitamins and minerals that are not taken in from whole foods do little to help your overall health, they just can't be absorbed very well.
I do not give my animals any form of dusting on their foods, and I have never had a problem with MBD, even with ones raised on invertebrate-only diets.

Good genetics play a role in this feeding method as well. Would explain wby no issues have arose.

[Herpguy]

It could, but I have been keeping these frogs for over a decade, and in that time have raised many different species and many fat frogs.