Henry Won't Eat/Poop

[Jonesy0kny]

I have a 4 y/o (ish) Albino Pacman Frog. At one point, about 2/3 years ago, I put him in a temporary tank (in order to thoroughly clean and upgrade his main tank) with high water and river rocks. I had a feeling one of the bigger river rocks (about 2 inches in diameter) disappeared but Henry kept eating, so I monitored his eating/pooping and hoped for a rock. No such luck...but he would still eat.

I have him on a diet of mice (one mouse every to every other week) and I keep the tank stocked with gut-busted crickets. I also noticed his poops were quite small. I didn't remember him having small poops before the river rock fiasco but might not have been as aware of the situation before. So for the next year or two he would eat and poop small nuggets (MAYBE an inch long). He slowly started eating less and less and now he basically co-exists with a mouse (of course I keep the mouse in a different tank when I give up on feeding)and has been for maybe two months? and the cricket count doesn't seem to be going down. and I haven't seen him poop in forever. I noticed on one side there's a huge lump there could very easily be a river rock. I managed to get him to eat a pinky about 4 weeks ago!!!

His tank is half aquarium with a small moss island. When I noticed he wasn't eating/pooping I tried moving him to another tank with ground coconut fiber, thinking maybe he wanted some more room...eating habits did not change.

I've learned my lesson about river rocks...something told me I shouldn't have used them...just thought they were large enough he wouldn't mess with them. And who knows, maybe he's impacted from mice as eventually he stopped messing with crickets. But please don't make your responses about the river rock...lesson learned, I'm making this blog to figure out what to do now...also, from reading other blogs I'm going to search for nightcrawlers and wet turtle food. gonna try those smelly things to entice him...but there's still the issue of where's it gonna go once he eats it?

Where do I go from here? I really can't afford froggy surgery.

[Locascio]

You need to first set up a worm honey bath do this once aday until he poops you've got to rinse him off after each bath. Make shore the water is treated the lump you feel is poop. You've also got to stop feeding mice and rat pups thay are not good feeders for frogs. You shouldn't be leaving crickits in the cage eather. Thay will and do stress out frogs you need to do the 15 minute rule feed 2x a week for 15 minutes as much as he can eat. You've got an adult frog and feeding should be cut back. Pics of the frog will help me to help you do this asap and get back to me
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[Jonesy0kny]

Thanks, I will try that...are we talking actually putting him in tub of honey? How warm? How submerged should he be? And on the 15min. feeding rule...do I get a new tank with crickets and critters and just set him in it for 15mins. twice a week? I posted some pics on my profile...I just became a member so will have to figure it out...is there a better way to share pics?

You need to first set up a worm honey bath do this once aday until he poops you've got to rinse him off after each bath. Make shore the water is treated the lump you feel is poop. You've also got to stop feeding mice and rat pups thay are not good feeders for frogs. You shouldn't be leaving crickits in the cage eather. Thay will and do stress out frogs you need to do the 15 minute rule feed 2x a week for 15 minutes as much as he can eat. You've got an adult frog and feeding should be cut back. Pics of the frog will help me to help you do this asap and get back to me
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[GrifTheGreat]

No. Prepare a bath of 80° dechlorinated water that is chin deep and dissolve 4 drops of honey in the bath. Soak the frog until the bath becomes cool. Then prepare a second bath th same depth and temp to rinse off the frog. Then return the frog home, but place it in it's water dish and leave it be.

[Locascio]

Do as grif sed.

[Jonesy0kny]

Oh Shoot! well, last night and today he got a bath with JUST honey! whoops! Hope I didn't kill him...I guess he knows what Opium feels like now!

[GrifTheGreat]

Oh Shoot! well, last night and today he got a bath with JUST honey! whoops! Hope I didn't kill him...I guess he knows what Opium feels like now!

Did you at least rinse him off????

[Jonesy0kny]

No. Prepare a bath of 80° dechlorinated water that is chin deep and dissolve 4 drops of honey in the bath. Soak the frog until the bath becomes cool. Then prepare a second bath th same depth and temp to rinse off the frog. Then return the frog home, but place it in it's water dish and leave it be.

Day 3 of warm baths with honey. still no poops...both sides seems very hard...but do see to be loosening a bit. Also...I feel like I should try to feed him SOMETHING...I mean, it's been like 4 or more weeks now since he's eaten. I might try the turtle food...just one pellet...unless, you don't think I should...I know someone said NO food...what do you guys think?

[Sunshine]

I wouldn't feed him until he poops. And I don't think turtle pellets would be good to feed him. These frogs can go a while without food. Good luck and keep trying. If he will let you, you can very gently massage his side to loosen up the poo a little more...

[Lija]

Thanks, I will try that...are we talking actually putting him in tub of honey? How warm? How submerged should he be? And on the 15min. feeding rule...do I get a new tank with crickets and critters and just set him in it for 15mins. twice a week? I posted some pics on my profile...I just became a member so will have to figure it out...is there a better way to share pics?

press "go advanced" button at the bottom of a thread, there is an option for attachments.
the only way to go from there is to answer "trouble in the enclosure" questions as Grif asked for.

meanwhile - NO river rocks, NO any type of rocks, NO mice, NO leaving crickets in a tank, NO feeding for now until we figured out what is happening, if he is in fact impacted by feeding you will get matters worse. bath like Grif advised would be excellent, by chin level he meant frogs chin, just in case it is in question lol
bath itself might help, but might not have immediate effect, you need to fix reasons of impaction as well.

[Jonesy0kny]

press "go advanced" button at the bottom of a thread, there is an option for attachments.
the only way to go from there is to answer "trouble in the enclosure" questions as Grif asked for.

meanwhile - NO river rocks, NO any type of rocks, NO mice, NO leaving crickets in a tank, NO feeding for now until we figured out what is happening, if he is in fact impacted by feeding you will get matters worse. bath like Grif advised would be excellent, by chin level he meant frogs chin, just in case it is in question lol
bath itself might help, but might not have immediate effect, you need to fix reasons of impaction as well.

thanks!
...and for the record he wasn't swimming in a sea of honey...I was mostly pouring it over him...I feel pretty stupid now though anyway. Kings have only dreamed of bathing in honey 'til King Henry III.

Also...in my original comment...I said high water...I meant like 3"...high enough for him to float and swim but he, of course, had a landing. Now I'm afraid of the picture I'm painting...

[Locascio]

Also if he did eat a river rock and didn't poop it yet he would have been dead along time ago he's probably unpacked from over feeding mice
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[Locascio]

You might need to see a vet
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[Locascio]

I would suggest you go online and order pacman food www.pacmanfood.com and start tong feeding him thay love the stinky smell of the food and its got everything a frog needs its very healthy I use this for all 16 of my pacman frogs along with nightcrowlers and dustdid crickets
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[GrifTheGreat]

Stop feeding him Mice period for a while. This can be damaging go their health.

Answer these questions and repost the answers here in your thread. http://www.frogforum.net/pacman-frog...enclosure.html

[Leaper]

Wow first jones I hope that your frog gets better!! I am very glad that you came to the community with the problem, I have never seen anything like it and I would like to learn what to do as well.

I am new but I wouldn't worry about feeding it now not until you see that it has some room for some food. My frog has slow bowels and it takes forever for him to digest a big meal. What I do is keep him active but not really feeding when I think he should poop. I feed one worm or one roach. Normally he could easily eat five to six big worms.
I just don't want to over feed him because you do just as much harm overfeeding as you do underfeeding.

[Jonesy0kny]

Hey guys...I just wanted to thank you all so much for all your advice. Henry passed away today a few minutes after his bath, but not for lack of trying. He was a good friend...never thought I could get so attached to something that wasn't warm blooded...but he was definitely one of my besties! Thanks again...I truly appreciate your help!

[GrifTheGreat]

Hey guys...I just wanted to thank you all so much for all your advice. Henry passed away today a few minutes after his bath, but not for lack of trying. He was a good friend...never thought I could get so attached to something that wasn't warm blooded...but he was definitely one of my besties! Thanks again...I truly appreciate your help!

I'm sorry for your loss. You did your best.