Henry Won't Eat/Poop

[Jonesy0kny]

I have a 4 y/o (ish) Albino Pacman Frog. At one point, about 2/3 years ago, I put him in a temporary tank (in order to thoroughly clean and upgrade his main tank) with high water and river rocks. I had a feeling one of the bigger river rocks (about 2 inches in diameter) disappeared but Henry kept eating, so I monitored his eating/pooping and hoped for a rock. No such luck...but he would still eat.

I have him on a diet of mice (one mouse every to every other week) and I keep the tank stocked with gut-busted crickets. I also noticed his poops were quite small. I didn't remember him having small poops before the river rock fiasco but might not have been as aware of the situation before. So for the next year or two he would eat and poop small nuggets (MAYBE an inch long). He slowly started eating less and less and now he basically co-exists with a mouse (of course I keep the mouse in a different tank when I give up on feeding)and has been for maybe two months? and the cricket count doesn't seem to be going down. and I haven't seen him poop in forever. I noticed on one side there's a huge lump there could very easily be a river rock. I managed to get him to eat a pinky about 4 weeks ago!!!

His tank is half aquarium with a small moss island. When I noticed he wasn't eating/pooping I tried moving him to another tank with ground coconut fiber, thinking maybe he wanted some more room...eating habits did not change.

I've learned my lesson about river rocks...something told me I shouldn't have used them...just thought they were large enough he wouldn't mess with them. And who knows, maybe he's impacted from mice as eventually he stopped messing with crickets. But please don't make your responses about the river rock...lesson learned, I'm making this blog to figure out what to do now...also, from reading other blogs I'm going to search for nightcrawlers and wet turtle food. gonna try those smelly things to entice him...but there's still the issue of where's it gonna go once he eats it?

Where do I go from here? I really can't afford froggy surgery.

[Locascio]

You need to first set up a worm honey bath do this once aday until he poops you've got to rinse him off after each bath. Make shore the water is treated the lump you feel is poop. You've also got to stop feeding mice and rat pups thay are not good feeders for frogs. You shouldn't be leaving crickits in the cage eather. Thay will and do stress out frogs you need to do the 15 minute rule feed 2x a week for 15 minutes as much as he can eat. You've got an adult frog and feeding should be cut back. Pics of the frog will help me to help you do this asap and get back to me
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[Locascio]

Also if he did eat a river rock and didn't poop it yet he would have been dead along time ago he's probably unpacked from over feeding mice
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[Locascio]

You might need to see a vet
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[Locascio]

I would suggest you go online and order pacman food www.pacmanfood.com and start tong feeding him thay love the stinky smell of the food and its got everything a frog needs its very healthy I use this for all 16 of my pacman frogs along with nightcrowlers and dustdid crickets
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[GrifTheGreat]

Stop feeding him Mice period for a while. This can be damaging go their health.

Answer these questions and repost the answers here in your thread. http://www.frogforum.net/pacman-frog...enclosure.html

[Jonesy0kny]

Thanks, I will try that...are we talking actually putting him in tub of honey? How warm? How submerged should he be? And on the 15min. feeding rule...do I get a new tank with crickets and critters and just set him in it for 15mins. twice a week? I posted some pics on my profile...I just became a member so will have to figure it out...is there a better way to share pics?

You need to first set up a worm honey bath do this once aday until he poops you've got to rinse him off after each bath. Make shore the water is treated the lump you feel is poop. You've also got to stop feeding mice and rat pups thay are not good feeders for frogs. You shouldn't be leaving crickits in the cage eather. Thay will and do stress out frogs you need to do the 15 minute rule feed 2x a week for 15 minutes as much as he can eat. You've got an adult frog and feeding should be cut back. Pics of the frog will help me to help you do this asap and get back to me
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[GrifTheGreat]

No. Prepare a bath of 80° dechlorinated water that is chin deep and dissolve 4 drops of honey in the bath. Soak the frog until the bath becomes cool. Then prepare a second bath th same depth and temp to rinse off the frog. Then return the frog home, but place it in it's water dish and leave it be.

[Locascio]

Do as grif sed.

[Lija]

Thanks, I will try that...are we talking actually putting him in tub of honey? How warm? How submerged should he be? And on the 15min. feeding rule...do I get a new tank with crickets and critters and just set him in it for 15mins. twice a week? I posted some pics on my profile...I just became a member so will have to figure it out...is there a better way to share pics?

press "go advanced" button at the bottom of a thread, there is an option for attachments.
the only way to go from there is to answer "trouble in the enclosure" questions as Grif asked for.

meanwhile - NO river rocks, NO any type of rocks, NO mice, NO leaving crickets in a tank, NO feeding for now until we figured out what is happening, if he is in fact impacted by feeding you will get matters worse. bath like Grif advised would be excellent, by chin level he meant frogs chin, just in case it is in question lol
bath itself might help, but might not have immediate effect, you need to fix reasons of impaction as well.

[Jonesy0kny]

Oh Shoot! well, last night and today he got a bath with JUST honey! whoops! Hope I didn't kill him...I guess he knows what Opium feels like now!

[GrifTheGreat]

Oh Shoot! well, last night and today he got a bath with JUST honey! whoops! Hope I didn't kill him...I guess he knows what Opium feels like now!

Did you at least rinse him off????

[Jonesy0kny]

absolutely!

[Locascio]

what the **** you put your frog in HONEY wtf wear you thinking! did you not read anything we wrote? you need to rince him off asap and put him in a worm bath WITHOUT HUNEY... gezz why would you think that was even a good idea use common sence

[Locascio]

im sorry if i come off like an *******, but that was some dumb **** and i call it how i see it. grif will help you you need to do EVERY THING he says to the T. :good luck with this one grif:

[GrifTheGreat]

Vince you need to calm down!

The problem is due to a misunderstanding. You did not explain how to prepare the bath therfore anyone who has not heard of this bathing method could easily misinterpret it as being bathed in just honey.

You must give details into how to prepare such treatments so that they are administered properly.

Keep your cool.

[DVirginiana]

When I was on fish forums more, there was a rule of thumb that the only procedure you should do without confirmation from an experienced keeper or (ideally) a vet, is to keep things clean and keep the temperature right. Accidentally adding the wrong meds or doing the wrong procedure is much more likely to harm the frog than leaving the condition for another few hours until you know for sure.

[Jonesy0kny]

im sorry if i come off like an *******, but that was some dumb **** and i call it how i see it. grif will help you you need to do EVERY THING he says to the T. :good luck with this one grif:

Let's talk about some dumb **** as I call it how I see it:

"worm honey bath" "Make shore the water is treated" "Thay will and do stress out frogs"
worm

/wərm/

noun
1.Zoology . any of numerous long, slender, soft-bodied, legless, bilaterally symmetrical invertebrates,including the flatworms, roundworms, acanthocephalans, nemerteans, gordiaceans, and annelids.

2.


(loosely) any of numerous small creeping animals with more or less slender, elongated bodies, andwithout limbs or with very short ones, including individuals of widely differing kinds, as earthworms,

tapeworms

, insect larvae, and adult forms of some insects.

...good thing I have common sense because if I went by your dumb **** spelling and sentence structure, Henry would have been bathing in a tub mixed with WORMS and HONEY. I'm on here because, unlike the majority of amphibian and exotic pet owners I care for this animal's well being...he's not just a decoration to me. I hope, Vince, that in future comments on future forums you can remember that people posting these have come this far because they honestly want to care for their pet...I won't blame you for your lack of education in English grammar and sentence structure if you won't blame me for the ignorance I'm trying to deplete in owning Pacman Frogs.

[Jonesy0kny]

press "go advanced" button at the bottom of a thread, there is an option for attachments.
the only way to go from there is to answer "trouble in the enclosure" questions as Grif asked for.

meanwhile - NO river rocks, NO any type of rocks, NO mice, NO leaving crickets in a tank, NO feeding for now until we figured out what is happening, if he is in fact impacted by feeding you will get matters worse. bath like Grif advised would be excellent, by chin level he meant frogs chin, just in case it is in question lol
bath itself might help, but might not have immediate effect, you need to fix reasons of impaction as well.

thanks!
...and for the record he wasn't swimming in a sea of honey...I was mostly pouring it over him...I feel pretty stupid now though anyway. Kings have only dreamed of bathing in honey 'til King Henry III.

Also...in my original comment...I said high water...I meant like 3"...high enough for him to float and swim but he, of course, had a landing. Now I'm afraid of the picture I'm painting...

[Jonesy0kny]

Vince you need to calm down!

The problem is due to a misunderstanding. You did not explain how to prepare the bath therfore anyone who has not heard of this bathing method could easily misinterpret it as being bathed in just honey.

You must give details into how to prepare such treatments so that they are administered properly.

Keep your cool.

...a good question I never asked...why honey?