Mutant questions?

[Gnag the nameless]

My god... I'd love a mutant pacman frog. Very cool colorations, in my opinion, and the whole mutant idea just sounds interesting.

[FrogGangOrCroak]

Could there be a possibility that mutants are caused by the company Samurai Genetically altering the genes/color pigments in the Samurai blues?

[Justin Bailey]

I don't beleive so. I worked on a project with Bob Clark that involved that method and it did not turn out. Im positive this is the result of several generations of line breeding.

[FrogGangOrCroak]

In all respect pythons and horned frogs are pretty different. If that is the case why doesn't this occur with any other morphs of horned frogs. Just the Blue phase I thought.

[GrifTheGreat]

I also believe they tampered with the genetics of the Sam Blue cranwelli. Lets face it. There is no blue coloring what so ever in any of the species in the Horned Frog family. It just doesn't appear on any other except the Japanese line which can also pinpoint that something is off. I mean come on! The Frog Ranch could have produced a Blue morph if in fact this is a genetic trait that already exists it would eventually appear in other cranwelli aside from only those offered in Japan. It is an unnatural color that just doesn't appear. Probably was designed after the Frog Ranch produced Albinos in order to compete with Kim.

Do I have proof of this? No, but it speaks for itself. Somewhere their genetic have been tampered with, but that doesn't mean that I don't like them. I own an adult male Sam Blue and yes the color is very appealing to the eyes, but it definitely does not look natural by any means.

Of course Nuance or Yusuki will claim them to be produced from selective breeding or that there was no genetic altering involved in their production. How they came to be will be a secret and they definitely won't let that out. Could be bad for buisness and could give any willing breeder an edge to produce F1 Sam Blues.

[Rambo]

You have no evidence supporting your opinion griff. How are we suppose to just buy what your saying? I believe nuance and yusuki are brilliant and maybe one step ahead of all of you of course he's way ahead of me. For being a moderated I'd expect a better opinion with atleast evidence supporting what your saying.

[Locascio]

You have no evidence supporting your opinion griff. How are we suppose to just buy what your saying? I believe nuance and yusuki are brilliant and maybe one step ahead of all of you of course he's way ahead of me. For being a moderated I'd expect a better opinion with atleast evidence supporting what your saying.

Lol comon bro you really think your opinion is worth the time it was takein to type it? what have you done in the frog world that would make you think you can jump on this forum and bash a member that hase more exp than you in EVERYTHING that is frog and say something like that you sir are a fool.. i have 0 respect for you theres no telling what happens in other countrys there is diffrint regulations and you can pritty much do what ever you want so yea i belave Grif might be on to something in reguards to Genetically altering the genes/color pigments in the Samurai blues. there just no telling what could be done with enuff money and effort

[GrifTheGreat]

You have no evidence supporting your opinion griff. How are we suppose to just buy what your saying? I believe nuance and yusuki are brilliant and maybe one step ahead of all of you of course he's way ahead of me. For being a moderated I'd expect a better opinion with atleast evidence supporting what your saying.

Excuse me? Didn't I just say everything they do breeding wise is held secret. Also didn't I state that none of these species have this particular color naturally? Are you offended by my post somehow? There are no studies on this therfore there is no evidence to support what I've said. Basically it is speculation, but as I've said there are no blue Ceratophrys naturally. How many wild cranwelli has anyone seen that are blue or even have a hint of blue? Zero! Now natural selection may play a role in this, but a blue frog would be difficult to see at night and since these frogs are nocturnal there is a chance that any that may emerge naturally blue could have been found alive.

I'm not sure why you want to attack my credability. Or am I not welcome to post here by your nonexistent authority here

Lets get one thing strate. Just because I'm a moderator doesn't mean I have all the answers to everything out there nor does this mean I have access to whatever might suit your need for more information that no one here can provide nore will anyone outside of Nuance. If you ask them they will tell you it is selective breeding that produced them. In that case then any species with this nonexistent color should be able to produce a blue version/morph. Closest they have are Blue Line Ornates which I also have, but this is just a slightly teal stripe down their back and not an entire frog covered in blue. Mike Matson used to have a female which had very pronounced striping tbat was very seafoam green in appearence, but like I said it was only the stripes which most of the time fade more to green.

Stripes are another thing about the Sam Blue. THEY DON'T HAVE THEM! All cranwelli have a form of striping. 3 stripes in all usually. 2 lateral and 1 dorsal. Now I never claim to be an expert nor am I a scientist and I don't know what I may have said that sparked a personal attack on me, but might I suggest tbat if you feel that anything i said is not good enough then by all means GO FIND THE ANSWER YOURSELF! I don't have all the answers to lifes great mysteries, but I do know what I see before my eyes.

Apparently Kim purchased a bunch of frogs from Nuance and sold them or sent them back because they had been tampered with genetically which Frog Ranch does not do.

[pyxieBob]

You have no evidence supporting your opinion griff. How are we suppose to just buy what your saying? I believe nuance and yusuki are brilliant and maybe one step ahead of all of you of course he's way ahead of me. For being a moderated I'd expect a better opinion with atleast evidence supporting what your saying.

Wow Rambo, you certainly showed us. I have spoken to Yusuki himself several times. Mike knows him personally. Have you ever heard of "hereditary Fixation" ??? ya... I thought you havnt. If you like I could actually help you sound out those big words and give you a synopsis of what they mean. Yusuki is incredibly intelligent and accomplished. Albino Burmese pythons (Amelanistic) are incredibly unnatural looking and beautiful; Bob Clark was the 1st person to produce these and sell them. However the 1st Amelanistic Burmese were created by other Burmese and discovered in the wild, and all look reasonably the same. Sam Blues produce mutants periodically because of the "Hereditary Fixation" process. Sam Blues are beautiful frogs ; Yusuki is very learned man. (Rambo that word is pronounced "LEARN-ED") But maybe people who are so quick to demand evidence should provide solid facts to support their juvenile approach to arguing that something is in fact natural before they bad mouth a very reputable Horned Frog Moderator with such a moronic approach.