whites tree frog questions

[kueluck]

Your tap water must not be treated by a city then. When people say "tap water" first thing that comes to mind is chlorine, chlorides, fluorides and all the other chemicals they put it. I also suggested the turish because I've done the lobsters & they freak me out.

i dont get the tap water thing, used it for years and never had a problem with it, even had a fully aquatic frog it in for years with no problem. `10 gal is what i have available atm. its either that or the 55 gal which i dont have space for...i do have a small exo terra, my large one is housing my rat snake.. they are not babies they are a good size...i havent gotten a chance to get pics yet but i will soon. lobsters are what i have and im not changing it..i got mine at the columbia repticon and they looked good to me.,

[ReptileMom]

idl if its treated or not. i live in the city...lobsters are easier to get for me and seem to last longer

[Bolisnide]

Oy!
Okay, ReptileMom.... I'm absolutely not trying to be rude, but you MUST treat your water with a de-chlorinator/water conditioner. I really don't care if you've had success in the past or not. It is so important and if you don't treat your water, you're only asking for problems down the road.
All water, unless it is bottled 100% spring water (and that's not even a guarantee), will most likely have either chlorine, chloramine, and heavy metals, or any combination. Get a water de-chlorinator that also neutralizes heavy metals.
As far as your original post,
these frogs will not have ahibernation period if you keep yoiur temps and humidity right on, please follow what Gail said and get a hygrometer and thermometer - so important!
Have a consistant day/night cycle with, they need the routine.
the frogs are nocturnal, you will nto see them be active with the lights on.
dust your feeders as Gail advised, and the glass bowl feeding method is a great way to monitor food intake (just search the forum for advice).
I would also advise switching out your substrate to paper towels, un-bleached. this will allow you to see and monitor fecals. This is very important in the beginning to ensure the frogs are healthy. If the stool is runny, as gail said, get a sample to a vet.
You should also really try to get the little guys into a larger enclosure, the bigger the better. For two frogs, I would advise atleast a 18x18x24. For now, if you turn your 10 gallon on it's end, that will suffice. This will give the frogs more height.

[ReptileMom]

cant turn the tank up like that with my iggy free roaming, had one like that and he knocked it off and killed a small lizard i was keeping...broke the tank etc. i can try to get to the smaller exo tera, not sure on size but i have the thing that measures the temp and humidity. i have a 3 day weekend coming up so i will hopefully be able to take care of it...as for the water treatment, it will have to wait. im flat @ss broke atm and dont get paid til wed...may have some samples of water treatment somewhere. i didnt take your statement as rude, surprisingly..normally on boards like this i get paranoid and take things the wrong way and end up having everyone mad at me...usually its cuz someone is trying to tell me they know more then i do about something that i know i know about...if that makes sense..i am not that experienced with frogs but i am learning. found a poop this morning and it was a firm poop so were good there. day and night is pretty consistant. i turn my light on the morning and off at night and its generally the same time every day unless i get to sleep in late...

[Bolisnide]

Hi,
I'm sorry for my late reply!
I'm glad you didn't take offense .
Well, you certailny don't want a broken enclosure, so if standing your 10 gallon on end won't work, then it won't work.
White's like height. They often will only come down to the bottom of the tank to soak and hunt. So keep that in mind when setting up a permanent home.
Until you can get the water treatment, you can sit your water out in buckets or bottles, with the lids off for at least 24 hours, this will help eliminate chlorine, but it will not eliminate chloramine or heavy metals. But I guess it's better than nothing, often stale water is better than fresh from the tap. Alternatively, you could purchase 100% spring water, but as you're short on funds at the moment, it's not that economical. But... like I said, water conditioner/de-chlorinator really is not an optional item for the health of these frogs. Water is life, and the water must not contain chlorine, chloramine, or high levels of heavy metals. Water conditioner is not that expensive, and typically lasts many months.
Glad to hear you found a solid poop, that is an excellent sign of good health. Try and make the day/night cycle very consistant, and predictable. It allows the frogs to feel more comfortable and safe through knowing what to expect. Also feed at the same time very night, when lights are out. This helps the frogs to trust their new environment, and you.
Also, I didn't mention this before, but your frogs are still settling in, even after 3 weeks in your home. It's very important not to handle or pet them at all. I only touch my whites periodically, and only to check for infection or skin problems. Typically I recomend not handling at all, and especially while their settling in.
Also, you could cover 3 sides of their enclosure to aid in them feeling safe as well.

And just on aside, as I'm sure other new white's tree owners will read this thread, and again please don't take offense because I know it's not your fault, but:
It's very important to do your research and set up an enclosure (and regulating temp and humidity) *prior* to bringing home any new frogs.
It is important for their health and safety, and it helps you in knowing what to expect.

[ReptileMom]

i did some research before i got them, i apparently didnt do enough. idk where i could put the water to stand...at least not in an open container...we have small children who dont listen and dont know when to leave something that isnt theirs alone...cant put it in my room cuz the iguana would drink or knock it over...didnt get to get the tank out of storage this weekend. will try to do it monday or tuesday at the latest...did get some stuff cleared out by myself. thier feeding schedule is generally at night when i come to bed. im gonna try to find something i can put them in so i can feed them. that way the bugs cant get away and they can find them.

[deranged chipmunk]

white's are not an "active" frog per se. sure, they will move around a bit, but they are mostly nocturnal. my white's (i have 5) don't move around until a few hours after lights out. as far as your tap water, are you in a large city? because a lot of smaller cities use well water for tap, so you wouldn't need to treat it. but if you are in a larger city, i would google the water quality to find out if they use chlorine or not.

a critter cage is too small for them, no matter the size. they also need climbing room. a couple of small, treated branches or a couple small pvc tubes cut to size would be sufficient. lobster roaches are fine for feeding as long as they are appropriate sized nymphs. the same goes for crickets. an as stated before, they need a month or more to get acclimated. they may need even more time since they are in a small enclosure and that creates a lot of stress in them. being a reptile keeper, i am sure you know how much stress affects them.