Since I was the one who first mentioned the proof I'll chime in again to clarify my comments. Simply put, claiming that they send dead frogs is a VERY serious accusation and should not be accepted without verification and like Bill said, sending dead frogs is very different from receiving dead frogs.

I understand emotions running high and all and that reading several bad reviews can convince a person that something is true and if you truly believe it then fine, that is your right. However, to make a claim like that without proof is irresponsible and that is what I have an issue with. As herp keepers we face an uphill battle every day trying to convince the mainstream that our hobby/obsession is legitimate. I'm sure I don't have to go into details about that. Because of this I feel that we have to be extra careful in everything we do. In essence, why give anyone ammunition they can use against us. If you have proof that they do in fact package and ship dead frogs then by all means post it. I would encourage you to go to Faunaclassifieds.com and post it on the BOI there as well. Keep in mind that multiple reviews accusing them of doing so is not proof. You believe it is true based on your research and like I said, I am not saying you are wrong, just that you need to be extra sure or you risk putting our entire hobby in a more precarious situation. Obviously what Floridaherp.com has done does not help either but we can not really control that. All we can control is what we do.

I also think this was handled poorly by Floridaherps even though they did have a policy of no guarantee on amphibians. I would not buy from a company that does not guarantee live arrival either but that's me.

The bottom line is it is sad that this thread was even necessary. It is too bad that not everyone will stand behind their product and it is to bad that the OP had to go through this experience. All we can do is spread the word about what we KNOW goes on with companies that do things like this and hope that word gets out and they ether change or close up shop. Unfortunately I don't think either is very likely. I think the best we can hope for is to inform as many people as we can and let them make their own decisions.

I certainly didn't mean to call you out and I do appreciate what you went through to gather the info that you did. If you want to forward me the info and the links to the threads you found I would love to read them.