Www.floridaherps.com please avoid!!!

[CJ PELCHER]

Ok the government comuters have blocked the website that i accessed it at... ill have to do it when i get home from work

[CJ PELCHER]

Going back to this... Florida Herps is run by a vet. Did you guys know that! DISPICABLE!

[CJ PELCHER]

ok i found it using my cell phone ... (had to step outside the building)...haha.. It was a review that accused them of shipping dead frogs...there were 2 reviews of the same nature...due to the nature of the website (although its a review) there is no proof it was the same person posting twice. ITs 50/50 on this... you can believe it or not if you want to say this ship dead or sick animals. ( I however do believe it.) The amount of light green spots on the frog coudlnt have developed overnight. (actually it was less than one full day looking at the times of shipment). I do believe this frog was sick prior to shipment. My mind will not change.

[deranged chipmunk]

i'm not saying they are a good company, and yes i know it is run by a vet. i also believe they have lousy business practices. all we are saying is you claim to have proof that they ship dead frogs. that is a serious accusation that requires indisputable proof. i assume you have someone who testified that they packed or were told to package a dead frog? if you are going by reviews, like i said in an earlier post, there is a difference between receiving a dead frog and shipping one.

personally, i would never have ordered from any company that doesn't offer a live arrival guarantee on frogs, particularly something as delicate as RETF's. especially since LLL Reptiles is one of the best in the business (they are who i order all my frogs from), located in the san diego area, and has a live arrival guarantee. that is why i questioned the OP about ordering from them in the first place.

[CJ PELCHER]

America Needs more local breeders =/

[deranged chipmunk]

THIS IS NO JOKE PEOPLE... After doing further research they do ship dead frogs... and their worst conditioned ones as well.... STEAR CLEAR!!!

this was your claim. i don't dispute the second frog was unhealthy. i also don't dispute that they ship unhealthy frogs. most people who import animals on a large scale do. you said they ship dead frogs. that is what steve and i asked for proof on. nothing more

[CJ PELCHER]

Ya i was pretty upset...I will admit it was an emotional moment inbetween reading a review i totaly believed... I did do 3 days of research on this and i only got more upset the more i read. =/

On the upside... My proof does exist within NEHERP!! I have just been very fortunate with the 3 companies ive worked with. Sorry guys... but at least i looked back for ya to dig it up =)

[deranged chipmunk]

no biggie. passions run high when it comes to our little phib friends. i have been there as well and i know it's had to hold back. like i said in a previous post, sometimes passion clouds over reality. sometimes we need to take a step back, breathe and think about things rationally.

the other issue was that the ****bags at Fla Herp claim that Chris did everything via social networking, and unfortunately, Chris made their case by adding the link to this thread in his email, which i am sure the BBB looked over and saw that post, which probably made a ruling in their favor easy. sorry, but i am just not a big fan of social media like FB and such. in all actuality though, they aren't an accredited BBB company, so even a negative claim doesn't really do much, especially since they have 12 claims against them in 15 years or so and was never once judged against. i actually find that just sad.

never lose that passion though Corey. it will be your key to success when your breeding takes off

[CJ PELCHER]

no biggie. passions run high when it comes to our little phib friends. i have been there as well and i know it's had to hold back. like i said in a previous post, sometimes passion clouds over reality. sometimes we need to take a step back, breathe and think about things rationally.

the other issue was that the ****bags at Fla Herp claim that Chris did everything via social networking, and unfortunately, Chris made their case by adding the link to this thread in his email, which i am sure the BBB looked over and saw that post, which probably made a ruling in their favor easy. sorry, but i am just not a big fan of social media like FB and such. in all actuality though, they aren't an accredited BBB company, so even a negative claim doesn't really do much, especially since they have 12 claims against them in 15 years or so and was never once judged against. i actually find that just sad.

never lose that passion though Corey. it will be your key to success when your breeding takes off

One good thing with social MEDIA... THE WHOLE TRUTH IS STATED!!! You just better pray its in your favor!!!

[sschind]

Since I was the one who first mentioned the proof I'll chime in again to clarify my comments. Simply put, claiming that they send dead frogs is a VERY serious accusation and should not be accepted without verification and like Bill said, sending dead frogs is very different from receiving dead frogs.

I understand emotions running high and all and that reading several bad reviews can convince a person that something is true and if you truly believe it then fine, that is your right. However, to make a claim like that without proof is irresponsible and that is what I have an issue with. As herp keepers we face an uphill battle every day trying to convince the mainstream that our hobby/obsession is legitimate. I'm sure I don't have to go into details about that. Because of this I feel that we have to be extra careful in everything we do. In essence, why give anyone ammunition they can use against us. If you have proof that they do in fact package and ship dead frogs then by all means post it. I would encourage you to go to Faunaclassifieds.com and post it on the BOI there as well. Keep in mind that multiple reviews accusing them of doing so is not proof. You believe it is true based on your research and like I said, I am not saying you are wrong, just that you need to be extra sure or you risk putting our entire hobby in a more precarious situation. Obviously what Floridaherp.com has done does not help either but we can not really control that. All we can control is what we do.

I also think this was handled poorly by Floridaherps even though they did have a policy of no guarantee on amphibians. I would not buy from a company that does not guarantee live arrival either but that's me.

The bottom line is it is sad that this thread was even necessary. It is too bad that not everyone will stand behind their product and it is to bad that the OP had to go through this experience. All we can do is spread the word about what we KNOW goes on with companies that do things like this and hope that word gets out and they ether change or close up shop. Unfortunately I don't think either is very likely. I think the best we can hope for is to inform as many people as we can and let them make their own decisions.

I certainly didn't mean to call you out and I do appreciate what you went through to gather the info that you did. If you want to forward me the info and the links to the threads you found I would love to read them.

[CJ PELCHER]

I certainly didn't mean to call you out and I do appreciate what you went through to gather the info that you did. If you want to forward me the info and the links to the threads you found I would love to read them.[/QUOTE]


Steve, dont worry about it.. Im perfectly fine with it. REALLY! Im actually kind of tired and disgusted with this company so much I'm just going to END my part in it. This thread has done its part.

[RockyGurly]

It really disgusts me that people could have so little regard for the lives of the animals they're caring for Even if they're for sale, they're animals! LIVING, breathing, feeling animals, not just "stock"
I'll be spreading the word on my end too, I hope they get shut down.