Please Evaluate my R.E.T.F from my photos. I'm worried.

[Heatheranne]

How is your frog doing? Any luck with eating? How are his wounds?

[verb408]

I haven't seen him eat yet, should I force feed him something? other than that he is a little active at night and sleeps all day at the top of his quarantine tank.

By the way I just received two frogs from Josh's Tree Frogs.

The dark one is now bright green.

[verb408]

So, I just went to check on the frog and guess who's awake and hanging out in the water pool?

[verb408]

It just keeps getting better.

[CJ PELCHER]

Is there a way i can get involved with this thread? I have a question to ask them. If not can you ask it for me and post the answer they reply with?

"I understand you are a business and trying to make money. However, as a red eye tree frog breeder and them being exotic animals the care for them is a bit more challenging than most frogs. How is it you sell an INJURED frog? I can understand the one that dies in travel. (stuff happens) But i dont understand how you sell an injured one. (Im pretty sure there is a law against that and i will be doing research to find out) The type of injury that that frog had (amputated toe) DOES NOT HAPPEN DURING SHIPMENT!!!. I am glad this person reported you to the BBB she had every right to despite your policys (which I read over thouroughly). ON a second note: I saw you commented that the RISKS were much higher and stating that the customer should be aware of the weather and the temperatures during shipment. As a retailer you are ALSO just as equally as GUILTY (IF NOT MORE) responsible for the death of that frog. It is in your business best interest to replace the dead frog a differnt time of year when its not so cold out -or- give the customer store credit. I know alot of people who want those frogs and they all come to be on advice on where to get them when i am not selling myself due to availability. If you want referrels to your company i would highly suggest doing what i proposed. Otherwise I will not refer ANYONE to your company from here on out for people who come to me nationaly and internationaly."
Respectively,

CJ Pelcher
RETF Breeder & Sales
Company *UNDISCLOSED*
SAN DIEGO, CA.

[verb408]

This is their e-mail. sales@floridaherps.com

I'm now filing a animal cruelty complaint to P.E.T.A, hopefully they investigate the frogs living conditions. I'm sure they have many frogs that are in bad shape.

[CJ PELCHER]

This is their e-mail. sales@floridaherps.com

I'm now filing a animal cruelty complaint to P.E.T.A, hopefully they investigate the frogs living conditions. I'm sure they have many frogs that are in bad shape.

I am sending an email right now from my GOVERNMENT account.. Maybe that will put a bit of FIRE under there butt. TOTALY UNSAT!!!
How are joshs frogs doing right now...and hows the injured frog???? Keep us updated on 3 of their health status throughout the month! PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD GOING!!!

[verb408]

Thank you everyone for your support. I really appreciate it.

Sadly to say the remaining frog from www.floridaherps.com did not make it. He passed over last night.

The two frogs from Josh's frogs seem healthy, they both have very consistent skin coloring (bright green) while they sleep during the day. However, they haven't eaten yet.

Temps are 78-80 degrees during the day and 70 degrees at night

Humidity is set at 70% day and night sometimes it spikes up to 78% for a few hours.

The only time I've handled them was to transfer them into their vivarium, other than that I haven't handled them.

Frogs are about 3 months old

I've read that they need some time to adjust so I'm not that worried yet. I know they are active at night because when I check on them in the morning they are on the same leaf but in a different position. One of them actually pooped on the wall of the vivarium.

Questions.

Can these frogs see the food bowl and water bowl when it is pitch black at night? or do they need some sort of very dull light?

How many days should I be worried about them not eating?

[CJ PELCHER]

Thank you everyone for your support. I really appreciate it.

Sadly to say the remaining frog from www.floridaherps.com did not make it. He passed over last night.

The two frogs from Josh's frogs seem healthy, they both have very consistent skin coloring (bright green) while they sleep during the day. However, they haven't eaten yet.

Temps are 78-80 degrees during the day and 70 degrees at night

Humidity is set at 70% day and night sometimes it spikes up to 78% for a few hours.

The only time I've handled them was to transfer them into their vivarium, other than that I haven't handled them.

Frogs are about 3 months old

I've read that they need some time to adjust so I'm not that worried yet. I know they are active at night because when I check on them in the morning they are on the same leaf but in a different position. One of them actually pooped on the wall of the vivarium.

Questions.

Can these frogs see the food bowl and water bowl when it is pitch black at night? or do they need some sort of very dull light?

How many days should I be worried about them not eating?

They dont need the light. They have great vision. However getting a moonlight bulb to make it easier for YOU to see them is just fine. I use a blue LED night light. As soon as i turn on the night light they start to chirp and get friskey! I dont go 4 days without giving them food. 7 days is when id start to worry about them not EATING if thats the case.

[yoshimi]

It just keeps getting better.

This is what you found? I could cry. Glad other frogs are doing well. The people who sold these should be put to sleep.

[deranged chipmunk]

The people who sold these should be put to sleep.

seriously? this is a sad, sad comment and for the first time, makes me embarrassed to be a member of any forum where someone would say that about another human. you can disagree with their business practices and ethics, but to say they should be euthanized? just sad.

[flybyferns]

I'm sure it has a metaphorical meaning; if you will .
I'm sure she did not meant it literally.

[CJ PELCHER]

I'm sure it has a metaphorical meaning; if you will .
I'm sure she did not meant it literally.

EEEK Id hope so. =)

[Psychotic]

I don't know if I'm allowed to promote other forums on here or not. But I always check the BOI over at faunaclassifieds before I buy an animal from someone I don't know. Florida Herps has 3 Bad Guy threads and 2 Info threads about stealing other peoples photos for their own website.

[CJ PELCHER]

I was just working with that issue on my end as well for my website...but i fixed that issue now and im ok thanks to the people on here!!! Although i was just unaware on how the COPYRIGHT laws work...i thought i could do it for my NON PROFIT educational site... I learned even the copyrights cover that as well..and that willl only apply is CLASSROOM environments... I can provide more information if needed upon request.

[yoshimi]

seriously? this is a sad, sad comment and for the first time, makes me embarrassed to be a member of any forum where someone would say that about another human. you can disagree with their business practices and ethics, but to say they should be euthanized? just sad.

Sorry, it was upsetting. Knee jerk reaction, but I'm not really a jerk.
I did go look at their fb page, and couldn't decide if the way they were talking to customers was the way they were or because they suffered a recent tragedy. They did state in Dec that their policy doesn't cover frogs, only reptiles, and they didn't want anyone getting a DOA christmas present. But if this happens enough to make a post and policy about, maybe they shouldn't be sold in the dead of winter. If you can't guarantee them, don't send them out knowing they probably won't make it. I think that's sadder than my dumb comment.

It really was a dumb comment and I really am sorry. Didn't mean to upset anybody else just because I was upset.

[CJ PELCHER]

your fine crystal... no harm intended, we understand. THanks for your appology. We love hearing from you though... Hey i made a mistake too the other day...it happens we are human =)

[deranged chipmunk]

don't worry Crystal, i don't think anybody thinks you are a jerk or anything, just a person who let their emotions get away from them. i do agree with Brian though, on an open and public forum such as this, words should be thought about carefully before typed

you are correct, they are a despicable company. i saw many, many posts by them about complaints, and they are rude, harrassing and just down right crude. i, for one, would not be upset to see them go out of business, as i am sure many of people on here would agree.

as far as them selling and shipping frogs during the winter. it's not that they cannot warranty them, they won't. you have to understand, when companies import animals, whether it be frogs, shrimp, fish, reptiles, whatever, the main goal is turn around. and if they have customers willing to take the risk and have a frog shipped during winter, they see it as "oh well, you agreed to it and were willing to take the risk". when i sold and shipped shrimp, i only offered live arrival on over night delivery only. and then, i only offered a refund. no replacements. replacements are easier to deal with if you are breeding them, because well, you can make more and replacement really only costs your shipping costs. but when you import and you offer replacement, it costs the shipping plus the cost of whatever animal you are replacing. that is a sale you could have made to someone else. i know it sounds harsh, but it is the way things are done by some companies. and this is a small company, think of the numbers involved for a company like Petco.

i hope that explains a bit. selling live animals is a very big p.i.t.a. and there are very few companies out there who do it well. we are just fortunate that many of those that do it well are sponsors of this forum, and that is the first place any member here should shop

[UncleChester]

Sorry, it was upsetting. Knee jerk reaction, but I'm not really a jerk.

No one thinks you're a jerk. Just obviously very upset about an upsetting situation. A passion for seeing our little froggy friends well treated will always be a good thing.

[flybyferns]

Sorry, it was upsetting. Knee jerk reaction, but I'm not really a jerk.
I did go look at their fb page, and couldn't decide if the way they were talking to customers was the way they were or because they suffered a recent tragedy. They did state in Dec that their policy doesn't cover frogs, only reptiles, and they didn't want anyone getting a DOA christmas present. But if this happens enough to make a post and policy about, maybe they shouldn't be sold in the dead of winter. If you can't guarantee them, don't send them out knowing they probably won't make it. I think that's sadder than my dumb comment.

It really was a dumb comment and I really am sorry. Didn't mean to upset anybody else just because I was upset.

Crystal,
Don't you worry about your post--- one bit !
Your comment should not have been misunderstood. (see #68)
In all due respect to everyone -- we should really move on.