Please Evaluate my R.E.T.F from my photos. I'm worried.

[yoshimi]

It just keeps getting better.

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This is what you found? I could cry. Glad other frogs are doing well. The people who sold these should be put to sleep.

[deranged chipmunk]

The people who sold these should be put to sleep.

seriously? this is a sad, sad comment and for the first time, makes me embarrassed to be a member of any forum where someone would say that about another human. you can disagree with their business practices and ethics, but to say they should be euthanized? just sad.

[flybyferns]

I'm sure it has a metaphorical meaning; if you will .
I'm sure she did not meant it literally.

[CJ PELCHER]

I'm sure it has a metaphorical meaning; if you will .
I'm sure she did not meant it literally.

EEEK Id hope so. =)

[Psychotic]

I don't know if I'm allowed to promote other forums on here or not. But I always check the BOI over at faunaclassifieds before I buy an animal from someone I don't know. Florida Herps has 3 Bad Guy threads and 2 Info threads about stealing other peoples photos for their own website.

[CJ PELCHER]

I was just working with that issue on my end as well for my website...but i fixed that issue now and im ok thanks to the people on here!!! Although i was just unaware on how the COPYRIGHT laws work...i thought i could do it for my NON PROFIT educational site... I learned even the copyrights cover that as well..and that willl only apply is CLASSROOM environments... I can provide more information if needed upon request.

[Psychotic]

They were claiming the animals were their own and the pictures were their own until busted. Then they got really rude and threatening about it. Not people I would want to deal with.

[flybyferns]

seriously? this is a sad, sad comment and for the first time, makes me embarrassed to be a member of any forum where someone would say that about another human. you can disagree with their business practices and ethics, but to say they should be euthanized? just sad.

I'm sure it has a metaphorical meaning; if you will .
I'm sure she did not meant it literally.

EEEK Id hope so. =)

Of course !
My goodness, it's simply words used to express feelings w/out any literal meaning at all!

[UncleChester]

My goodness, it's simply words used to express feelings w/out any literal meaning at all!

The words we use to express ourselves are rather important and should be chosen more carefully, especially in a text only medium which lacks the nuances of face to face communication. There are more tactful ways to express anger or disgust at this whole situation.

There's still room for civility in the realm of outrage.

[CJ PELCHER]

geeze guys...go easy on her... its just a forum not a business practical essay. sheesh

[yoshimi]

seriously? this is a sad, sad comment and for the first time, makes me embarrassed to be a member of any forum where someone would say that about another human. you can disagree with their business practices and ethics, but to say they should be euthanized? just sad.

Sorry, it was upsetting. Knee jerk reaction, but I'm not really a jerk.
I did go look at their fb page, and couldn't decide if the way they were talking to customers was the way they were or because they suffered a recent tragedy. They did state in Dec that their policy doesn't cover frogs, only reptiles, and they didn't want anyone getting a DOA christmas present. But if this happens enough to make a post and policy about, maybe they shouldn't be sold in the dead of winter. If you can't guarantee them, don't send them out knowing they probably won't make it. I think that's sadder than my dumb comment.

It really was a dumb comment and I really am sorry. Didn't mean to upset anybody else just because I was upset.

[CJ PELCHER]

your fine crystal... no harm intended, we understand. THanks for your appology. We love hearing from you though... Hey i made a mistake too the other day...it happens we are human =)

[deranged chipmunk]

don't worry Crystal, i don't think anybody thinks you are a jerk or anything, just a person who let their emotions get away from them. i do agree with Brian though, on an open and public forum such as this, words should be thought about carefully before typed

you are correct, they are a despicable company. i saw many, many posts by them about complaints, and they are rude, harrassing and just down right crude. i, for one, would not be upset to see them go out of business, as i am sure many of people on here would agree.

as far as them selling and shipping frogs during the winter. it's not that they cannot warranty them, they won't. you have to understand, when companies import animals, whether it be frogs, shrimp, fish, reptiles, whatever, the main goal is turn around. and if they have customers willing to take the risk and have a frog shipped during winter, they see it as "oh well, you agreed to it and were willing to take the risk". when i sold and shipped shrimp, i only offered live arrival on over night delivery only. and then, i only offered a refund. no replacements. replacements are easier to deal with if you are breeding them, because well, you can make more and replacement really only costs your shipping costs. but when you import and you offer replacement, it costs the shipping plus the cost of whatever animal you are replacing. that is a sale you could have made to someone else. i know it sounds harsh, but it is the way things are done by some companies. and this is a small company, think of the numbers involved for a company like Petco.

i hope that explains a bit. selling live animals is a very big p.i.t.a. and there are very few companies out there who do it well. we are just fortunate that many of those that do it well are sponsors of this forum, and that is the first place any member here should shop

[UncleChester]

Sorry, it was upsetting. Knee jerk reaction, but I'm not really a jerk.

No one thinks you're a jerk. Just obviously very upset about an upsetting situation. A passion for seeing our little froggy friends well treated will always be a good thing.

[flybyferns]

Sorry, it was upsetting. Knee jerk reaction, but I'm not really a jerk.
I did go look at their fb page, and couldn't decide if the way they were talking to customers was the way they were or because they suffered a recent tragedy. They did state in Dec that their policy doesn't cover frogs, only reptiles, and they didn't want anyone getting a DOA christmas present. But if this happens enough to make a post and policy about, maybe they shouldn't be sold in the dead of winter. If you can't guarantee them, don't send them out knowing they probably won't make it. I think that's sadder than my dumb comment.

It really was a dumb comment and I really am sorry. Didn't mean to upset anybody else just because I was upset.

Crystal,
Don't you worry about your post--- one bit !
Your comment should not have been misunderstood. (see #68)
In all due respect to everyone -- we should really move on.

[BlueKiwiOca]

Ok as a frog breeder (currently and owner of 14 RETF's and 30 RETF tadpoles) ... i would NEVER EVER sell my frog in this condition... and i would go to the BBB and file a complaint. This is unsatisfactory and abuse in my eyes. I would not have even sold you a frog in this condition. I feel so bad for him and you as a new frog owner...

Heather.... if you have any advice on how to properly ship one of my new RETF froglets... id like to give one of them to VERB for free.

I'm just totally randomly joining in (late) here... I came across this website that describes how they pack frogs for shipping- I was taking some froglets on holiday and wanted to know how to keep them safe

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I don't know if this is acceptable or not, but it's worth a shot!

Also, Verb, I'm really sorry about the loss of your frog. From what I can see the way this company is/was acting is disgusting. Absolutely awful.

[CJ PELCHER]

Gabby,

I have learned to ship frogs now. I use deli containers though in a PERISHABLE white box. Ive had about 9 successful shipments and 0 deaths at this time during overnight shipping. Thanks for your help=) I learned how to properly package them through shipyourreptiles.com

Corey

[BlueKiwiOca]

Wow, that's something to be proud of..100% success rate! Well, good on you for caring about the well being of your frogs so much