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  1. #1
    Socrates
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    Default Re: R.I.P. Billy...Advice Please?

    There's a few possibilities I can think of that caused your frog to perish. It is possible that the pH of your substrate is off (either to acidic or basic). You could perform simple pH test with the appropriate soil kit.

    Another possibility is that you accidentally "cooked" him, many people usually over heat Tropical species of amphibians thinking that it's extremely hot and humid (which of course is not true). In reality the temperature of the forest floor in tropical rain forest is usually much cooler than one would think (usually in the 70's, hot air rises, cold air sinks. Plus much sunlight never reaches the forest floor). I would recommend low 80's at the highest for max temp, with upper 70's being ideal and high 60's-70 at night.

    Your moisture/humidity sounds just fine, so no need to change that.

    Last thought is you said you fed him supers? (I'm assuming that means super worms?) If that is the case, DO NOT feed super worms or meal worms! They can still maintain there ability to use their mandibles, especially in amphibians because they aren't chewing the arthropod to kill it completely. Plus, even with humans there has been incidences were individuals ate meal worms that they hadn't chewed properly and the meal worm ate a whole through there stomach wall. I would therefore stick to young crickets (gut-loaded of course), phoenix worms, silk worms and horn worms (the two later, b/c they have a very close 2:1 Ca - P ratio). Calcium is important in the Ceratophrys genus, this is because of their fast growth rate. IF they have inadequate levels that can develop jaw abnormalities or rickets (juvenile brittle bone disease) like syndromes.

    Hope this helps! And sorry for the loss of your frog!

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    RoninSTi
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    Default Re: R.I.P. Billy...Advice Please?

    Thanks so much for your input. I'll will test the pH prior to obtaining another pet. What should the ideal pH be? I don't think I "cooked" him, as 80 was definitely the highest the temperature ever was, but it may be a possibility. It's nice to know that upper 70's is really ideal.

    I'll remove the super worms from the diet and stick to the dubias. I'll also try to get some silk and/or horn worms. I use progecko gutload as my gutload. Here is the link to the ingredients for that:

    Ingredients:
    Sun-grown grains, ground corn, wheat middlings, dehulled soybean meal, safflower, dehydrated alfalfa meal, ground wheat, ground rice hulls, molasses, canola meal, rice bran, marigold extract, various seeds and greens, calcium supplement, vitamin/mineral supplement and more.
    Analysis

    Dry Tested
    Wet Tested
    Crude Protein
    20.90%

    19.38%

    Crude Fat
    5.16%
    4.78%
    Fiber
    14.20%
    13.16%
    HFE (Carbohydrates)
    50.22%
    46.56%
    Total Carbohydrates
    64.42%
    59.72%
    Moisture
    0.00%
    7.30%
    TDN
    85.91%
    79.64%
    Ash
    9.53%
    8.83%
    Calcium
    1.70%
    1.58%
    Phosphorus
    0.70%
    0.65%
    Potassium
    0.82%
    0.76%
    Magnesium
    0.26%
    0.24%
    Sodium
    0.17%
    0.16%
    Sulfur
    0.20%
    0.19%
    Nitrogen
    3.34%
    3.10%
    Iron
    440 PPM
    408 PPM
    Aluminum
    232 PPM
    215 PPM
    Manganese
    105 PPM
    97 PPM
    Copper
    13 PPM
    12 PPM
    Zinc
    107 PPM
    99 PPM

  3. #3
    Socrates
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    Default Re: R.I.P. Billy...Advice Please?

    Looks good for the gutload, and I would have the pH around neutral (~7+/- 0.2). Good luck.

  4. #4
    RoninSTi
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    Default Re: R.I.P. Billy...Advice Please?

    Thanks everyone for your input. I'll post pics of my new little guy...I was so fond of billy, it's sad he's not going to be there when I get home.

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