New tank ideas

[Gravelanche]

Hey, so im setting up a new tank and it's going to be quite large, i have been doing as much research as i can to figure out how to make several species happy together, i have been reading a lot and i do see it is not ideal to mix species too much BUT please read this out and give an honest risk assessment for me.

I have a large 67 gallon tank, the water will be about 16 inches deep and im going to have a pair of freshwater archerfish and spotted scats. I have done some research and they should have no interest in the frogs and the filter is more than adequate for the setup so the toxins from the toads should be very minimal. As for terain i am going to have a floating island take about a third of the tank off to one side, and either more small islands or some floating plants, im also going to ensure on the large island i will have a depression where some of the water can poke through as a soaking pool option for them. at the end of it all they will have lots of swimming room, lots of places to climb out of the water and no predation from below.

Next this tank also stretches up into a fairly high enclosure, another 3 feet above water level, this is where my question really is, i was looking into some other arboreal amphibians, ones which are unlikely to ever climb down to the surface level, newts or gecko's or maybe salamanders, still havent picked exact species but the arboreal aspect will be pivotal in the decision, up higher there will also be shelves and pools of their own, all three aspects of the tank, fish, frogs and the above can all be fed independantly without worrying about them chasing each other too much.

I understand there might still be a small ammount of risk, but do you think this could potentially work, i was looking at 2, MAYBE 3 toads max

[MatthewM1]

Personally I think the toads and the fish would go well together and make for a really cool tank. As long as your sure the fish arnt going to try to nibble on the toads lol. I've read stuff from members on here in the past about having success keeping fish with fbts in large tanks. I would just be sure to include lots of floating plants and stuff for them to grab onto. They are really good swimmers but like to spend their time just floating holding onto a plant, piece of drift wood etc...

Where you run into a problem really is with the arboreal aspect. You would need to find something small enough not to see the fire bellies hopping around as a snack. I don't have a whole lot of knowledge on tree frog behavior.

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[Hoppity100]

I'm hoping the fish are not alot bigger than the frogs. Try your idea first with fish and frogs to see how it works out before adding anything. I'd like to add to my FB's but my tank is not large enough and I was told that FB's don't mix with other critters. Since your set up is big, only if you have enough hiding and climbing places, hey maybe it would work. But do research first and I hope whatever you get that they all get along. I'm the same way, I want to add more but decided not to. I really want turtles but they're not available here, so FB's took their place and actually are just as cool.

[Starlitrain]

Here's my input on this. You're good to go with Fire Belly Toads & fish. :-)

I have a 40 gallon breeder tank with 4 Fire Bellies & several fish - although none of them are larger than the frogs, but some are of equal size. Do you research on the type of fish you'd like and their typical personalities - try to stay away from overly aggressive fish and stick with community goers. Also try to find species of fish that are rather hardy as to provide an extra buffer from the frogs' toxins. And of course have adequate filtration.

Now you mentioned you'd like to put in an arboreal species. This is where I'd stop. I say this because although the filtration will clean most of the toxins from the water enabling the fish to survive, there is nothing to keep the toxins from getting all over the glass & land portion of the tank. If you have another species of critter in there, the toxins could potentially kill them and the presence of another frog species could easily stress them and the Fire Bellies out.

Hope this helps a little bit! (I know I'm a bit late with this reply lol)

I can also take a photo of how my current enclosure is set up although it's still a work in progress...

[Gravelanche]

thanks, update for everyone, i have put away this project and expanded my love of snakes, i have 10 snakes of various species now. thanks for your suggestions