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    hokurai
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    The thing is it's kind of hard to take an environmental law seriously when you can jog in less than 20 minutes to where the law isn't there and it's the same exact environment especially when getting them here is completely legal and there you can gather up to 10 of them. Well, if I were to move to arizona like I have been thinking about then there would be no legal problem. Or am I missing the point entirely? I've heard that it's difficult but not impossible to breed them in captivity so there would be a niche to destroy the illegal transport of them by making a technique to breed them successfully as people would be willing to pay more for a legal and captive breed toad then for one that is illegally and immorally gathered. Wow, I'm getting way ahead of myself.

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    In Arizona, the species is much more common and thus legal to keep there, but illegal to export out of the state. Captive breeding has been done on the species, but in very limited numbers. So if you were to get your hands on a legally captive bred Ollotis alvaria, it would still be illegal to possess in the state of California. The reason being is one cannot look at a CB animal and tell it apart from a WC one.
    That is the case with the black rat snake here in Massachusetts. Pantherophis obsoleta obsoleta is native to the Pioneer Valley in the western part of the state, but since we are on the very northern part of its range, its numbers are very limited. So the state considers it to be endangered, even though it is very common in other parts of its range. Unlike Colorado River toads, black rat snakes are commonly captive bred, yet we cannot keep them here, unless they are some form of captive bred morph (albino, white-sided, and so on). Again because you cannot tell a CB "black" black rat snake from a WC one.
    So unless you can get an albino alvaria, I wouldn't even bother trying to keep one. That is unless California law provides for the legal keeping of captive morphs.

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    "I'm aware that they are illegal but I want one anyways..."

    Glad to see you put nature first. I'm with John and Kurt on this one. Hey, I live in So Cal and if I saw you do what you propose to do, I'd report you to F&W myself.

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