Whites Tree Frog in trouble..Please help!

[kueluck]

Hi everyone! My little guy is still doing well! He just took his 5th baytril treatment! Getting some crickets to see if hell attempt to eat for us! crossing fingers!

[flybyferns]

Looking forward to hearing about how things go tonight !

[josh]

what vet did you go to

[Heatheranne]

Glad to hear! I hope he eats for you tonight. Perhaps pull one leg off to make them easy to catch. Crossing fingers here too!

[Heatheranne]

Great job!

[xXxHeavenxXx]

Hi everyone..we are now on our 7th treatment..he seems stable..but his HUGE belly is concerning me! He's sooooo bloated. Is that the infection? He is still holding his mouth open slightly but the clicking seems to be calming down a bit. The good news is..hes turning back to his bright and beautiful green!

[flybyferns]

lets' review the soaks his is getting ?

and

have you seen a poop ?

[xXxHeavenxXx]

no poop yet and since we've been force feeding we havent done anything but a warm water soak. We did do 1 pedialyte soak 1:10 and another 50/50. He hasn't had one since then. Thinking about one tonight since he wont eat for us today.

also..anyone have a nice and easy way to force feed a very small frog such as ours? We've tried the credit card, and a thin credit card (like a blockbuster card). Since he has done less clicking which is a good thing..he wont open his mouth for us anymore =/ I keep hoping he attacks one..but no such luck. He mainly just sleeps. maybe im not being forceful enough but I dont want to hurt him and he manages to wiggle away everytime..we tried for a half hour before I finally said lets just put him back because I don't want to do more harm than good.

[Heatheranne]

Okay...

How many force feelings has he had now? When was his last poop?

Avoid the 50/50 soaks, it's too concentrated for the little peanut. It should be 1/10 pedialyte to water only. Tonight, do a lukewarm dechlorinated tap water OR lukewarm spring water soak WITH a drop of honey in it. No pedialyte. We need to dilute the pedialyte concentration from last night. Too high of a concentration is tough on their tiny kidneys. The honey will give him a bit of sugar and may help him to poop. Then follow with a plain lukewarm dechlor or spring water soak with no honey to rinse him off. Do not feed tonight if he is bloated. Let's see if we can get him to poop.

[flybyferns]

Okay...

How many force feelings has he had now? When was his last poop?

Avoid the 50/50 soaks, it's too concentrated for the little peanut. It should be 1/10 pedialyte to water only. Tonight, do a lukewarm dechlorinated tap water OR lukewarm spring water soak WITH a drop of honey in it. No pedialyte. We need to dilute the pedialyte concentration from last night. Too high of a concentration is tough on their tiny kidneys. The honey will give him a bit of sugar and may help him to poop. Then follow with a plain lukewarm dechlor or spring water soak with no honey to rinse him off. Do not feed tonight if he is bloated. Let's see if we can get him to poop.

Hi xXxHeavenxXx, ( sorry I don't know your name)
It's really important to follow Heath's instruction here regarding the soaks.
This can take quite some time. You are doing a great job!

He ate a cricket the day before yesterday - right? If so I would hold off on force feeding.
Give him a chance to hunt on his own.

I have some force feeding suggestions here. I don't like using a credit care.
I use a cupcake spatula. Nice and soft! ( bed-bath-beyond?) Or better-yet - read about my alternate force feeding method.

http://www.frogforum.net/tree-frogs/...-supplies.html

Lynn

[xXxHeavenxXx]

ok definitely! I thought I should worry about force feeding every day. Ugh I just want him to be better already! I will do the soaks as suggested from now on. today he seems to be turning a lot. when we come in the room hes been facing all different directions. perhaps hes getting some energy back! I put the last live cricket in to his hospital tank to see if he will eat on his own. We will get some more in there tomorrow since we killed the others trying to force feed.

[xXxHeavenxXx]

UPDATE: still not eating but he is moving a bit more. We found him at 8 am actually stuck to the side of his hospital tank. Not far up at all I think even his back legs were still touching the bottom but its been the most hes moved. Then later on, we believe he pooped out the cricket we gave him a couple days ago. Its not very big in fact, if we didnt have white paper towels down we wouldnt have noticed. Its only a little bigger then a dot you would make with a pen. It was a very small cricket. It does seem like it went through him though.

We have two crickets in there with him running around. I hope one disappears! About how long should I wait to try a force feed again if I have to?

[kueluck]

Lisa, good to hear he's moving around. But about the "white" paper towel you're using. I would change to the unbleached kind so he's not absorbing anything toxic into this little body.

[Heatheranne]

Hi Lisa! Any luck with him eating last night? Did you try any reptaboost orally? It may be time to force feed if he hasn't eaten yet. How is his belly, still bloated or decreasing? How is his breathing today?

[xXxHeavenxXx]

Hi Lisa! Any luck with him eating last night? Did you try any reptaboost orally? It may be time to force feed if he hasn't eaten yet. How is his belly, still bloated or decreasing? How is his breathing today?

Hi! No luck yet =( We've been hunting down reptiboost for days now..would you believe that petco and petsmart have pulled it off their shelves for their own animals? Thats what they told me after asking for a week!! He looks better as far as being bloaty. Now he just looks skinny =(. We've been conflicted on the breathing. Some days he is better than others. He still clicks and opens his mouth, some days he does it more than others. Those are the days we are trying to stick a cricket in. Today hes not looking as good. He's sleeping with his head down. He is still moving around however because when we go in there hes always in a slightly different spot and direction.

We have tried pet supermarket as well for the reptiboost. No luck. Petsmart said they get a shipment on tuesday which may or may not include the reptiboost. We are going to start traveling to find it because I really want him to get some. I think sticking the syringe in his mouth would be easier than the cricket. He gives us a 1 second chance. Going to give him a pedialyte bath tonight to see if it perks him up.

[Heatheranne]

holy cow... i don't mean to hijack the thread.. here mine was not too terribly long ago...

is that the same kinda green spots?

Silivrentoliel, your baby needs treated too.

[Heatheranne]

Lisa, you'll have to force feed. Pull the head and legs off the cricket. Lightly dust with calcium with vitamin D 3 powder. Pick your baby up with a paper towel moistened with lukewarm dechlorinated water and gently wrap the towel around him like a swaddle, but not tightly. Very carefully open his mouth with a soft baby spoon or carefully with your pointer finger nail (with nonpowdered gloves on). Do not cut him. As he opens his/her mouth, slide the corner of a qtip into the side of his mouth to keep it open just enough to put the cricket in. Carefully put the cricket into his mouth. Do not choke him...put it in a bit so he feels it on his tongue, and try to hold it in a second or two so he does not push it back out. A cut piece of worm would work great also.

He needs some food and he really needs the calcium with vitamin D3. We need to get some nutrition into him and we need to prevent MBD.

Give it a try and see what you can do. Just be calm and patient. It works best if someone can hand you the qtip and food.

Great job so far!

[xXxHeavenxXx]

I will try again with the force feeding. We have the powder and everything so we will kill that last cricket in his cage and try that one. I feel like such a failure that I cant get his mouth open. trying to give it to him in between the clicking is not working. We have not tried a baby spoon or my nail so maybe that will work. We will go out to walmart to get those things shortly.

[xXxHeavenxXx]

my nail seemed to work. I can get it open, but I cant get the qtip in. We can probably get the tiny crickets in his mouth this way. the one cricket we had left was a little too big. I couldnt get his mouth open big enough without my finger sliding out of his mouth. Going to try again tomorrow with a new small batch. Wish me luck!

[Heatheranne]

Hi all..Just curious, but when should all of his signs of him being sick actually go away? Im getting kind of nervous. We took him to the vet a week ago now, and while everything has gotten better, its not completely gone. I still hear clicking when I pick him up and put him down. I kind of thought it would be like a human, you know, the "cough" goes away but you still have to treat for another week.
I'm just getting anxious I think lol. Still wont attack that cricket! GRRR!

I think he may be clicking as a defense. The spots take about 2 to 6 weeks to go away.