A few new pics

[emandkel]

They look grreat! Can u get a pic of the thumb on the probable male?

"He" doesn't have nuptial pads yet.

If the top Ornata were male then it should already have nuptials at 3.5". You may just have 2 Females, but that isn't bad.

I'm beginning to wonder if it is just a slow growing or small female. Time will tell