Sick Cornuta...Neurological?

[Lija]

Deedub, all frogs have protozoa in small quantities, no matter how clean they kept, they don't no anything bad, they just are. it is very rare when they have patogenic one, but it happens and I bet you got that one with your cornuta. Some frogs are carriers of those patogenic ones, meaning they look ok, eat, a bit less a bit picky, you won't notice anything other then slightly runny smelly poop, you would say something is off but you can't really put your finger on it and since it is off just a bit you think it is normal, however over time protozoa will slowly impact immunity opening a gate for secondary infection. How long it'll take depends on a individual frog, husbandry, amount of stress, some may go for years without any clear symptoms, some will pass away very fast even kept in ideal conditions.
I know how frustrating it feels when you know protozoa most known as dirty environment problem, however patogenic protozoa infection itself has nothing to do with it. I bet your cornuta had it when you got her, pepermint got infected at your home from her and the other cornuta is probably more resistant to the infection.
when you get fecal samples tested make sure vet has experience with it. but i think it would be safe to get everyone treated either way.

I was very lucky to have cat with protozoa infection, it took me 2 years to figure that out and 2 weeks to treat it and i had protozoa problem in frogs too, one of them ( pacman) didn't make it despite treatment, the other one is pixie, who got infected from the pacman, a male who at 10 months is just 4,5" long he is growing very slowly now and eating, he will be small but fine. but it took me about 4 month to get my pixie better, for pacman it was 8 months battle that we lost. so your story sounds very much familiar to me (((
to add - believe me they were kept in spot on environment all the time and stress free as possible, feeding with same tongs was the only connecting thing, so I'm telling you, don't beat yourself up over this, just get everyone treated and get more tongs, i have 5 now

[DeeDub]

Hey, sorry I wasn't offended or anything. Just trying to clarify. I should use more emoticons...haha.

I appreciate the help. Here's a problem. The Peppermint isn't pooping solids. Can I still get a fecal? Maybe they just swab him?

Oh ya, the sub tossing..... on the Cornutas I did not. I was pretty careful to not disturb them unnecessarily. With the peppermint I have. I toss the pyxie and Rhino every couple days.

[GrifTheGreat]

Hey, sorry I wasn't offended or anything. Just trying to clarify. I should use more emoticons...haha.

I appreciate the help. Here's a problem. The Peppermint isn't pooping solids. Can I still get a fecal? Maybe they just swab him?

Oh ya, the sub tossing..... on the Cornutas I did not. I was pretty careful to not disturb them unnecessarily. With the peppermint I have. I toss the pyxie and Rhino every couple days.

With the Cornuta you have go ahead and toss the substrate once or twice a week. Small tubs need substrate changed no less than twice a month.

Scoop up the runny stool and take it in. If its in the water dish you should be able to take whatever settles at the bottom of the dish in and even some of the water with it.

[Lija]

vets have those fancy fecal sample jars, you can ask for some. it is easy to scoop stuff with those.

[DeeDub]

I'm expecting turds from the ornata and cornuta any time now. Hopefully before Mon. I already plan to take my peppermint in to check him out....btw, he had a seizure today when I changed water. If he doesn't improve in the next week (has more seizures, heads back down hill...) I'm just going to put him down. Doesn't need to suffer IMO. Hopefully he'll continue to improve. Other than the seizure, he's looking better color wise. The hole in his leg is looking a little better.

[GrifTheGreat]

I'm expecting turds from the ornata and cornuta any time now. Hopefully before Mon. I already plan to take my peppermint in to check him out....btw, he had a seizure today when I changed water. If he doesn't improve in the next week (has more seizures, heads back down hill...) I'm just going to put him down. Doesn't need to suffer IMO. Hopefully he'll continue to improve. Other than the seizure, he's looking better color wise. The hole in his leg is looking a little better.

Seizures can be caused by Vitamin deficiencies. Most of the Peppermints are fed only Pacman Food and this is why I say that I don't believe it has all that a Pacman needs. Otherwise this wouldn't happen as often. Try using some Herptivite multivitamin powder. I use it and have never had an issue like this with any of my Pacs.

Give this a try and see if it fixes the problem.

[Pluke]

Just curious DeeDub, are you using tap water? I haven't read the whole thread just skimmed through it.. if the substrate smelled like sulfur that's pretty scary and strange stuff, it kind of feels like your water source could be part of the problem. Well water can have a bad smell to it and I'm sure even regular tap water could run into problems sometimes.. I'm going to suggest, just in case, that you use bottled spring water like Ice Mountain. It's the only water I use and I could probably use my well water, I just don't trust it enough. I usually buy the 2.5 gallon jugs they sell it in and if I need to heat it up I'll put it in a small container like a 20oz bottle or whatever and run it under hot water like you would if you were warming up baby formula it's a little extra work but it's worth it for the piece of mind alone. I just don't really trust to many water sources, not even for myself to drink.

Sorry to hear about your Cornuta man..