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    Deedub, did your pepermint have any contact with cornuta and/or any of your other frogs? I mean through water/tongs/anything? how old he is and was he ok before?
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    I'll get a fecal done on everyone. Already have it lined out for next Mon. I need to collect some turds though.

    Yes I've used the same tongs. The plexi was not sealed in. The sub was pretty smelly.

    I'm pretty sure this was my failure. It sucks.

    The peppermint was healthy when I got it. He lost a little weight due to stress, but gained it back and was doing well. He is improving. His color is back. I'll keep him on paper towels in a deli cup for a few more days. When I change his water it is usually pretty smelly.
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    not necessarily your failure, on a contrary it sounds as you were doing everything right and I imagine how bad you feel, been there too and it sucks.
    look if I were you I would quarantine everyone who was in contact, clean and disinfect everything. keep very close eye on the other cornuta. smelly in combination with above symptoms sounds very much as pathogenic protozoa. when you take fecal samples make sure they all fresh. Peppermint might have that too, but sometimes protozoa just weakens immunity and then it looks like bacterial infection on a skin + slightly runny and smelly poop. By smelly I mean excessively smelly if you know what i mean.
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    Protozoa infections are normally caused by exposure to dirty stagnant water for ampbibs, but if the substrate was over saturated then they can begin there. Lija has pretty much covered everything on the protozoa, but usually blood is in the runny stool once the frog has the full blown infection. Worms can also cause these symotoms so a parasite is most definitely the cause. A Flagyl/Panacur solution is great at killing protozoa and parasitic worms. Your Vet may percribe this after a fecal exam if the results prove positive.

    Skin falling off though is not a normal symptom of these infections, but dry skin is which could be why the frog is having trouble shedding and can damage the sensitive skin beneath. This could explain the damaged or missing skin.


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    Don't beat yourself up over it. At least you recognized there was a problem and caught it before it went through the rest of your animals. Once bacterial/protozoan populations get started in substrate (since you could smell it that's probably what it was) they can multiply really quickly in wet environments like that.

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    The cornuta sub was only two weeks old. The peppermint was three. The cornuta sub smelled like sulfur when I changed it today. When I mentioned the water stinking I am referring to the water in the peppermint's temp dish. It really stinks. I change it twice a day for The last week.

    I don't know what happened, but every one is quarantined with sterile temp enclosures. I've cleaned out everyone's tanks and replaced with fresh eco earth.

    There was no dry skin. Over saturation was a possibility in the peppermints cage, but the cornuta cage was perfect. No chance anyone was too dry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeDub View Post
    The cornuta sub was only two weeks old. The peppermint was three. The cornuta sub smelled like sulfur when I changed it today. When I mentioned the water stinking I am referring to the water in the peppermint's temp dish. It really stinks. I change it twice a day for The last week.

    I don't know what happened, but every one is quarantined with sterile temp enclosures. I've cleaned out everyone's tanks and replaced with fresh eco earth.

    There was no dry skin. Over saturation was a possibility in the peppermints cage, but the cornuta cage was perfect. No chance anyone was too dry.
    I was not saying you kept them dry. A symptom of worms is dry skin. If infected no matter how moist the environment the frog will have dry tacky skin. Causes them to have difficulty shedding.

    I'll bet Lija is right and it is Protozoa.

    The sulfer smell is an infection. Overly saturated substrate mixed with the amonia from their urine will have a very stagnant almost sulfer smell to it. Do you toss(mix up) your frogs substrate regularly?


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